{"id":28789,"date":"2026-03-17T07:55:00","date_gmt":"2026-03-17T11:55:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/design.ncsu.edu\/landscape-architecture\/2026\/03\/17\/podcast-designing-an-extraordinary-future-with-chuck-flink\/"},"modified":"2026-05-07T15:20:29","modified_gmt":"2026-05-07T19:20:29","slug":"podcast-designing-an-extraordinary-future-with-chuck-flink","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/design.ncsu.edu\/landscape-architecture\/2026\/03\/17\/podcast-designing-an-extraordinary-future-with-chuck-flink\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast: Designing an Extraordinary Future, With Chuck Flink"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n\n\n<p>On this episode of the NC State Philanthropy Podcast, we\u2019re joined by Chuck Flink, director of the university\u2019s Peter A. Pappas Real Estate Development Program, to talk about his decades-long relationship with NC State as a student, faculty member, volunteer and donor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Flink is a two-time alumnus of NC State\u2019s College of Design, where he\u2019s currently a professor of the practice in landscape architecture and environmental planning. He is also an award-winning author, landscape architect and planner whose work has benefited communities around the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Together with his wife, Marjorie, Flink is a dedicated NC State supporter. In recognition of his contributions, Flink was selected as a 2019 Watauga Medalist, a 2006 Distinguished Alumnus of the College of Design and one of the original 50 recipients of the college\u2019s Wings on Wings award.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Flink played a key role in securing funding for the university\u2019s real estate development program, which was <a href=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/2024\/05\/pappas-real-estate-development\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/2024\/05\/pappas-real-estate-development\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">made possible<\/a> in large part by the generosity of his friend, Peter Pappas, who is a College of Design alumnus as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: Episode 38: Designing an Extraordinary Future, With Chuck Flink\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/4NuvDUK1DgG7Oe2n1uzqqf?si=jTcVWMOMSpKyYfgDtYt-9g&amp;utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Listen to \u201cDesigning an Extraordinary Future, With Chuck Flink\u201d here via Spotify, or visit the Apple podcast store, Podbean or Stitcher.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>To learn more about the Pappas Real Estate Development Program and how you can support it \u2014\u00a0especially on Day of Giving 2026 \u2014 visit <a href=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">go.ncsu.edu\/designpod<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to hear even more stories of Wolfpack success, subscribe to the NC State Philanthropy Podcast today via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or Podbean. Please leave a comment and rating as well to let us know how we\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"is-text wp-block-ncst-accordion\" >\n    <div class=\"accordion isLinked\" id=\"ncst-accordion-l8w1xs\">\n          \n<details class=\"wp-block-ncst-accordion-item\" name=\"l8w1xs\"  >\n      <summary class=\"accordion-item__header\">\n        <span class=\"accordion-item__expansion-indicator\">\n          <span class=\"ncst-plus-minus-toggle\"><\/span>\n        <\/span>\n        <h2 class=\"accordion-item__label h6\">Transcript<\/h2>\n      <\/summary>\n      <p>\n        \n\n<p>Theme Music (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/umzjsy4K1nO_ttdKoTGHLzaDbC6ExwGsMpo2ieksZ_td7a7RIOAIgr2H7scUFmbCj3fWSl7Nt8C9EqpsugmAy31vTXA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.26\">00:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please listen carefully.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/H79YxuO0cBz_Vg02TYlxTOXyVJ9euTmc92VYQRJXwq5VSx87VKOmXY8Cr0vTTQmogPVWfk9zrQHkfaQHT9W237U8lQQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=8.12\">00:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Welcome to the NC State Philanthropy Podcast, telling the world how we Think and Do through the support of our friends, alumni and more. I\u2019m your host, Taylor Pardue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/8NzcaUz-t0zK5wxhY2HhA6z0BpVqmrEA7ZhFi9T1DhOmg9zseKX1Pswfxn2m5689MO8SNuUUL2p6QWwRLVtUomjllFo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.14\">00:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On this episode, we\u2019re joined by Chuck Flink, director of the Peter A. Pappas Real Estate Development Program, to talk about his time as a student, faculty member and donor at NC State.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/BlVvNd4mReRmKXKd1PS-F5pT255UZwgEbCuuu-NL7Pdw24E7RkN3g0FOHcpZQmyD4_40hm1k1dafsVVbiAwlT9SXH-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.96\">00:31<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thanks so much for joining us today, Chuck. To kick things off, just tell listeners a little bit about yourself and what first brought you to NC State.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/7SxzYvFk8_nZAfQRKDxa0D0Wgittqh8CyCZkM63ZPU7OhlWxVMYlNucUUP3Twz2uj_L2EA5CgLsGGPokxZWG-F7zvFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.5\">00:51<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, I think I very much had an unconventional path to NC State because I\u2019m not a North Carolinian. And I\u2019m in the Midwest, I\u2019ve lived there all my life, and I was looking to get out of the Midwest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/cxp2haIVvRE9e4fw6SxbVjIW4isDBReBWLAT50D-eQxWhsQYBIke1Z48rk05tDxx_AZPmmPf-7nwTKMidK-6RiBApOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.72\">01:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oh, wow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/9JPYdUBFVNFV8fCOU-ax2J0TnvQSLrTtrNMDOUvdHGoxPQ3juGv5DhurKhkmeIBsMHbA9g-NONzG0CiO8l96f5-SiIg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=62.68\">01:02<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so, I started looking at Eastern cities, Eastern campuses. I wanted a landscape architecture program. I was in pre-architecture at a Division II school. I first applied to Florida; it was 30,000 kids. I said, \u201cI can\u2019t do it. I\u2019m in a Division II school.\u201d And NC State at the time \u2014 this is 1979, 1978 \u2014 it was 19,000 students. And I said, \u201cYou know what? I think I could do that.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/apMDmM5jZf_smRguqnveas-omAGlWsggMvtd972Con8JGb7_tfdDj33CBRurH0l2AE9S9KeUaeSU_sVJIXDiAMAUlGQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.28\">01:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I\u2019m up at Northwest Missouri State. I\u2019m a long ways away from my parents, and I tell my mom I\u2019ve applied to NC State and I have a provisional letter of acceptance requiring that I go there for an interview \u2014 which stunned me. I had no idea, and I\u2019ll get more into that in just a minute. But she says, \u201cOh, you have a cousin who went to school somewhere out there.\u201d And I said, \u201cOh, really?\u201d \u201cYeah, John Gregg,\u201d which is the Gregg Museum. It\u2019s my mother\u2019s extended family, my family.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/mkYescOe5B2Ke0NEoWgVdtsyMAj2HnqcGwm1tA209dQd5bcot7o66t4xcvFX9l5h1eZwCrgXtW4ceBGeE84It6MnqsQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.28\">01:51<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, anyway, it\u2019s in March of 1979, and I\u2019ve got spring break coming up. I\u2019m at this Division II school, and I book a flight. I\u2019m 19 years old, can\u2019t rent a car, and I fly out here, and they said that this is a letter from the College of Design. I was going to have to reenter as a freshman. I was a sophomore in Division II, had accumulated a lot of credits, all that kind of stuff. And I just didn\u2019t understand what I was getting myself into, and thank God I did not. Because, at the time, the college had a cap of 100 students.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/0SKzgCmjE_i4_VggL_WE98HmyzH5CRLtDO86T5f0ekIItEi6RRnDMZ7Od2U8j47y0rH2nKfx1wx37UMAgZTlh8-Tr_I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.98\">02:19<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so, I fly out, and I tell you, Taylor, the minute I hit the ground and the jet door opened and I walked out, my first thought was, \u201cI think I\u2019ve landed in heaven.\u201d I mean, it\u2019s March, there\u2019s snow on the ground, the blue skies, pine trees. This is a kid from the Midwest. Everything\u2019s gray for months.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/cclBle8FmhWA8nOjj7iD8Xz8jw_mTlOLBe9j9kpHYem2O02ltDKArQHdlmgq6akeavHVHi_W88rHbMEFiyHvSp7bo0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.12\">02:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/YAruuOdsFfD8h8o6EweBYr0Kstdx-sa1YKVYAreoufEH4m0hr98OXz3ACv1mn9Zya00kGezXwvS3h6LD43RwlWlTg0U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.12\">02:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And then I stayed overnight at what was the Planters. I think it was The Planters Inn, which is now North Hall. They converted it from the hotel to an NC State facility. The whole thing was just sort of magical. And so, I didn\u2019t really know anything about NC State. I have to be honest. I mean, I knew about David Thompson and Monte Towe, but beyond that, I just didn\u2019t know anything. So, it was really great coming out here and being part of the College of Design and graduating.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/5AsPmk0NqnBjsEO7Bpfxj8j5y87ixWk-Uo12F-x0B5vSQ2OJbUdOvXvMJoSmC9CRpf7z9zdR-Mbrk_IONJw6mShdejs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.04\">03:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I knew right away that the value of my education was amazing. I knew it while it was happening. And I remember going up to the dean, [Claude] McKinney, and my professors and my department chair and saying, \u201cThank you. I graduated, and this was incredible.\u201d And I think that that played such a role in my experience as becoming part of Wolfpack Nation and wanting to be involved. So, I like to tell people today, \u201cLook, I\u2019ve been involved with this university for, gosh, 46, going on 47 years in some way, shape or form. I\u2019ve always had something going on and super-proud of that association and always wanted to give back, always wanted to be a part of giving back.\u201d So, that\u2019s been a big part of motivation there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/SKiQVmuE-ZBt7ZrfsO1IGL3IL_m_9iXyHf357feR_wViamrTCVAvAIxpUuNnbL_24dnBxX9uDcwTejEG_fJUXr7yFcI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.62\">03:41<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Obviously, we\u2019re thrilled to have students, whether they\u2019re natives of Raleigh, natives of North Carolina. All the more coming from out of state, that\u2019s a huge vote of confidence in us, but to start your education over again, I mean, that really shows the value that you placed on this education that we provided.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/wsiF4EWySpq9QKrbiDs4RSyTSAMxiwoKi0szr-OVwJSjNUR_kUBlRTS9Z4vd3HVENbIx2agDkJng3f23MULEHRgPk3U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.9\">03:58<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We have the freshman orientation at the College of Design in what\u2019s called the Pit. There &#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/F-Kvb0H0xnSWiJ00wEDyWWipSZDQSqVgzW3Tq2TIFMHQ5RPhY76MGPuUYOghvh8fcI2ouJflnarigBF6JHkfAnCzizs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.72\">04:02<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>OK.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/VOt2ZadEabYGzn2vT9sNNUo_vWEmh7azoUOww-Rih_C-yFLTMOt_aHVQA0qP6qDSw9sxvLGyHViJ0xzohNTFWEvWMr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.84\">04:02<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Those who know the College of Design, and the dean is there, and there\u2019s a hundred of us, and he says, \u201cAll of those from out of state, come to my office afterwards.\u201d Well, there were three of us, and Dean McKinney looks at us, he goes, \u201cYou\u2019re the fortunate three that we let in from out of state. Don\u2019t mess up.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_qfo03qbKL_zDnJej75riqUhV4aq9Fr15s6SNG3mpyYg2xy8Oj-uFvCaXlDmnStMiedNPZ8SJKohK75p1pxNMhZEjBA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.79\">04:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And that was when it first hit me, how serious all this was, and it all sort of came crashing down. But I just love everything about NC State. I love Wolfpack Nation. I love the culture. My wife, who\u2019s a Duke graduate, she\u2019s found a great home here as well. We love the people. The students are amazing. Just everything about the university is fantastic, and it\u2019s become a big part of our lives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/UKnz_f0mjwXBKCXkA4ZlYjDtLLEoBz38NsCnhBx4lB4I0vg6wZuNL7QDDHRlWvouRQN7HQPNdbfU2g19v7XZt2Bi_d8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.2\">04:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, go on. I mean, you\u2019ve not just graduated once here, but again, vote of confidence. You have two degrees from NC State.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/EN2HCaAwqhmMgqzasn0ldH_yjJb2P19t6JPbpq7jHr1mz5nGmrTvDFZl_J2CBNLXXPDFt_qdejtieTPkV68GLm4ibSc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.72\">04:44<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I do really do value the Wolfpack Nation. I do. I like to kid around and say I\u2019m a very slow learner, which is true. \u201982 undergraduate, master\u2019s in \u201917. So, I think that\u2019s about 35 years. I was recruited by department head Gene Bressler \u2014 great, great friend, awesome, awesome human being \u2014 to come back and teach. And I was intimidated to do that. I had an undergraduate degree. I had probably a 30-year professional career at the time, and \u2014 something like that, 25, 30 years. And he said, \u201cOur students would value hearing from you.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/sidi5z44T6-6z5sB-vKon5YG14VTeLWe74Oo0IHscu8gX32XHgz8CtiqONFqOnL5FrHQxk40v9GI0wnfb5Hz5cnzs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=318.68\">05:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so, I started teaching, and he comes to me, he says, \u201cI really think you should get a master\u2019s degree.\u201d And I\u2019m in my 50s, and I\u2019m thinking, \u201cGene, I don\u2019t need a master\u2019s degree at this time in my life.\u201d I mean, I just couldn\u2019t understand the value of it from my perspective. But the rules had changed, and there was a new 30-credit-hour master\u2019s for professionals who wanted to come back and pursue that. And he knew I was working on a book that chronicled my professional career, and he put two and two together and said, \u201cLook, you could come back, get a master\u2019s degree, finish your book and be of great value to the university. We could knock a whole bunch of pins down at once if you\u2019re just agreeable to it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/-TFD67zgyher0Ub29G4D0uf7Ykfz8H9tR-vkKj0jQ1r6sf1ExPmkZDHIKeKXarsZJZHkYCZK7rUVi53Ux_Geoj6v0ho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.52\">05:54<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, here I go. I go back to school, and I get my master\u2019s degree, and I published a book, which was a shock. It\u2019s turned out to be really good on many, many levels. And then working with Gene, he wanted me to continue on and elevate my role in the academy to be a professor of the practice. So, he really, he worked with the faculty, the Department of Landscape Architecture and Environmental Planning, and here I become a professor of practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/rRvq7cYCQ4HZI_wr9zLnX_78bkbH9er-7BTR7yiXDfyYB2JzZ7098AmO7qnNA_e3t8F1TTsw9I-NdUc2uvXmRBrlR5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=383.36\">06:23<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And my mother, who was alive at the time, is laughing so hard because there are some very significant people in her side of the family that were educators, including one who started the junior college system in Florida. And she\u2019s like, \u201cI can\u2019t believe my son\u201d and her other son \u201care both at the university.\u201d Tickled her to no end that we would do that. I feel like I\u2019m a tourist on this journey, stumbling along and just doing things, but I really thank Gene Bressler for helping me on that pathway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/lLAhdYANnjMuC7qcdfXLsczQ4HMkR__15efNWPrqiayF328z5MN11BxDSmfzUFoJk8-DazdQ89g3eLqWDE7Y13AK8FI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.02\">06:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sounds great. Now, I\u2019ve obviously jumped us forward in time, if listeners are paying attention. Step back a bit. Talk about your career. It\u2019s amazing in its own right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/RDwqgYH_k0p0M9YMUC0mPLbS5IzoJebraBfnyOEBKBR-XM-ZmjxjhPsyY2_frKiiNlrn7fIQXY1cYrBDSY_rUvEhVnY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.18\">07:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m very blessed. I became very interested right after school. Well, first of all, I graduated into the middle of a recession, which a lot of people don\u2019t remember the \u201982 recession and how bad it was. Double-digit interest rates, double-digit everything, inflation. I mean, it was a really tough time, and there were no jobs. I got one job offer out of college from a great firm, good friends with them to this day, LandDesign in Charlotte. It was Brad [Davis] and Larry [Best], who were just starting out at the time, and they said, \u201cWe\u2019ll pay you $16,000 if you come down here and work your butt off.\u201d And I sort of just did the math in my head and figured, well, I think I could probably do that on my own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/TErbJsz5ZMP9u24_BM9kdYx_M90dc-HgMGLoNUptrR_ZMXo0ewOdcmw8ZuZCTtx4vbI48F-mGhze-Ytw4zPTi7-FO5I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=455.28\">07:35<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, I kind of threw a shingle out in the middle of a recession, and I was a utility infielder. I would do anything for anybody. Any job that nobody wanted to do, I would do it. And it was on-the-job training. But then I was a volunteer, too, and somebody came to me and said, \u201cThere\u2019s the perfect job for you downtown Raleigh: the Raleigh Greenway Planner. You should go and apply.\u201d And I really did not know much about greenways at the time, but I applied for it, and I got the job, and that was the start of a career that spans to this day. And I feel so lucky to have been able to marry a passion for the outdoors and for conservation of the earth\u2019s natural resources with a career in that, and then helping to build trails and building access.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/5TGcZfl8AQN6rbW0vzy4l3C--9WcPA67ODhMXByBS4cwW6SYiBOWua9a-0eHVD_eYy_Dip5kw6yOLj4LjvrAlc84hLs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.18\">08:16<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And so, that career \u2014 which, by the way, started off pretty rough. I mean, for the first five or six years when I &#8230; So, I started in \u201986. I met my wife in \u201991, and I really like to share this because it\u2019s true. And Marjorie\u2019s always quick to say, \u201cI knew this guy before he had a penny.\u201d I didn\u2019t even have two wooden nickels to rub together. So, I was not only broke, but I also was deeply in debt trying to start a company, and she took me in anyway. So, I mean, I owe a lot to Marjorie. She was a big believer in me before anybody else was a believer in me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/9M5ZC2GF0yXn8NPxXZWLcBMdX72EREnt5vhyi-4R0F-I4AZT5-GGzXWgOcLfGm-bTSRw3bkbZhvVnySRqS2WzI7OYZw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.6\">08:45<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, we started off, and then all of a sudden all that work and all those seeds that were planted hit at the right time. And there was this real tidal wave of interest in greenways in the United States and around the world. And here I was, I had a company called Greenways Incorporated that I formed in 1986 and left the city of Raleigh, and it\u2019s just been incredible in that regard. So, I feel very fortunate with my career, but I also know I worked extremely hard. I put a lot of time into making it a worthwhile career as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/StWou4T5kaMyNkDgq3BWhB-BVSabe7QWovrH032zZ2dRQlmLeje6luJqO7WdYsQXQrf9jzD4MAuE7E-l0AGjc3Zfo_Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=558.1\">09:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Talk a little bit about, what does that journey been like? What all does your job involve? And we always talk about how NC State alumni affect our state, nation and world. Your work, especially, the more I\u2019ve read about it in preparation for this interview, it\u2019s amazing all the places that you\u2019ve been able to visit, the places that you\u2019ve had an impact on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/KVGyOdojS5A0BJo7Rhhuk2f5x8J_2z7khZOENqQiNuerLG68xe-kyujTeu6OVnCQgHEn7TLH8cYdunuPyL4LJZH-Aqw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=579.1\">09:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s incredible because I think people would recall there was an environmental movement in the \u201960s. There was a president in Nixon who helped author and get enacted a lot of environmental legislation. There was a real meeting of the minds. Through the \u201970s and the early \u201980s, there was a bit of departure from some of that stuff, but this national interest in greenways, I like to say, has been a conversation that\u2019s been going on in this country for a long, long time. And actually, in the Raleigh area, it\u2019s amazing because 1969, Lewis Clarke really pioneers the idea of a capital city greenway system. He calls it the \u201cgreen fingers.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/pE6G--0iBVc9Zt9iYm1URAQltt4hfQFZXy-NqLXQED9M3yiqVJeImEUWeSqyE1R1YWC2Q--SHiAl3D2arqzPZ1D5tBo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.12\">10:15<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bill Flournoy, a master\u2019s degree student at NC State in the College of Design, looking for his thesis project, writes what I say to this day is the most definitive guide on how to create a community greenway system. It\u2019s [a] brilliant piece of work. And then I come along, and the interesting thing is, we\u2019re all associated with the College of Design, but none of us ever had a conversation about our love for greenways. So, it\u2019s really fascinating in that regard. But I connected with this, and then there\u2019s this national interest in it. The <em>National Geographic<\/em> writes an article about it. It becomes one of the most-read <em>National Geographic<\/em> articles of all time; huge amounts of interest from around the world. It just strikes a note that people felt like we ought to have a broad conservation initiative. We ought to be connected to the lands and waters in our neighborhoods and in our communities that we love. We ought to be able to connect that across the community to provide [a] variety of different benefits.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/5jZBwERci6G7MTPUwRKHbTDBoZLSK-t7eezySCedYb0xQaRymnjIk-8u0ubE_0NTmibC5B8vaeFY-99ccyUBSl6cPus?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=670.68\">11:10<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I feel like my passion and my wanting to work hard was well-placed in this emerging industry. I remember when it started out, I mean, I kind of knew everything that was going on, and now it\u2019s a multi-billion dollar industry all over the world. And so, no way you can track it, but it\u2019s been fun to be involved. I have written three books on the subject. <em>Greenway<\/em> is a guide to planning and design development. It came out in \u201993, and then <em>Trails for the 21st Century<\/em> in 2001, and then <em>The Greenway Imperative<\/em>, which was my master\u2019s thesis, came out in March of 2020. So, along the way, I\u2019ve tried to be part of a group of storytellers, people that chronicled the rise of the American greenway movement and how it went all around the world, as well as sharing technical information on how people might create greenways in their communities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/XzJnUg5IQrBQ3se52UFw2l3sMltMmt_g4kTOcdxK-PoBc6pUrXMzmancxG-NJyTVjnSwLDV7WpuWPyEzkBwd7QQ0gTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=719.6\">11:59<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I didn\u2019t realize that was your master\u2019s thesis published. All the more taking what you learned here and spreading it to the masses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/lSnlfXIExe0aCUaVXLcBfQXLjVWH4dY1L71ODXMLKgGotYP8brsS2rbmu0FXTohD2gwkqLpqkVnrsTT_Tkx9WvVRr5k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=725.32\">12:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. Crazy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/vgI5v3gQmDxnrJYkezLmVYi9xE0zKBX5W1lCOP-YU_jFfTSnJ4Ukggt6_PZAT5Ywv9BCwt2ekM1AKmYThswI9t6rhrk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=728.12\">12:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You\u2019ve mentioned it earlier. Talk a little bit about how you came back and got involved as a faculty member \u2014 not to give it away to, the surprise to the listeners \u2014 but as a faculty member and then as a donor as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/PYx3ArU--LJbi9usToE6oah0Wk4UI8rz0vDYVHeWQL1D5btq0R44PBFvm42bf15Fbg6-N64J4hUUmUYqkiOegtabEUA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=738.54\">12:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/2NC_5yX9DKzAkF2JLRzYpMI-hfITqe48tkF9UdY9zjaEigEXZ1WRqz_sXK_Sj3ep5613RqmZKkUc0XOa5KUXtAeZwEc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=738.54\">12:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s one thing to be proud of where you came from, but to want to get involved like that is just extraordinary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/9_rWnvZuHuTSaKZh61NUdsdahTqGDAi888AkUKdw3suuXnQMIhkAKF6H4TtbO-mY5VNiJwcJLK_XAenPtUOtEMRnvF0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=746.08\">12:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, again, credit to Gene Bressler. He really pursued me. And when you\u2019re a private practice and you\u2019ve got tons of clients and you\u2019re running a company and there\u2019s so much on your mind. And when somebody approaches you, said, \u201cCome back to the university,\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI barely have time for myself,\u201d which was my response. \u201cI don\u2019t really have time to do this.\u201d But Gene didn\u2019t give up, and there were some changes for me. I decided that the time was right. I turned 50. I\u2019d run the company as long as I possibly could. It was almost ready to run me. And so, we found a buyer. We found a way to merge my company with another company, a national company called Alta. So, we became sort of Alta\/Greenways, and that freed up some time for me. I knew that it was time to step away from the day-to-day operation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/beHShf8rlQEkw2Ukyvt7kMw0V_UDIEwb2c8YS4GuubawiFrh8CEgX4d_IKY2sH30NwIg5HKsJS0oQLqk2MHa9n5BjyU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=793.7\">13:13<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I wound up helping to bring in for that group two of the largest contracts, design development contracts that we had ever seen: one with the Walton Family Foundation in Northwest Arkansas, and the other with the Hyde Family Foundation in Memphis. And so, I spent almost 10 years running two projects for them. So, it freed up some time for me because I wasn\u2019t really running the company anymore. And I walked with Gene into the classroom. So, we had to decide what we were going to teach, and that was the first question he said. \u201cWell, what do you want to talk about?\u201d \u201cGene, you\u2019re the one who asked me to come in here. I don\u2019t know.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/OA-tN7Uf7PJbJxkG_sBlLR3ln-NLweb6kGWbN7CzgAbWTChNbCymt0MJ3tCxapTdwfvWox_wdJb1N9do23BC8VjlQPA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=824.26\">13:44<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But we had this conversation, and we decided that we wanted to teach to the future. We had a long conversation. I said, \u201cWhen I was in school, nobody really talked much about the future.\u201d And so, we came up with a course title, \u201cThe Landscape Imperative,\u201d in which we began to frame issues about the future. And this is 12, 15 years ago. And I began to really look at evidence that pointed to the future. And I wanted to select a target year, and 2050 became the target year, because it was one that was being thought about and documented. And at that time, it was 35-plus years out. And so, we began to frame a whole course around that, and we got a lot of students that became very interested.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/a2OYA4fUTlx6vfhwddhbUINKkAooOox7Q6jHMbI3NZ0v8QRl7nfFD_YMbVD6_aAm9l63x6GzURnLKroDrQkZS0qPqBE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=866.78\">14:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And in a way, it also became a bit of a recruiting class for the Department of Landscape Architecture, because we had kids from other colleges that enrolled. Students from UNC came over. So, it was an interesting class. It was sort of a 101 on landscape architecture, but it had this sort of future-forecasting. So, that\u2019s how I got involved in the faculty side of it. And then I\u2019m going to get back to this because I want to talk about the donor side of it for just a moment. Marjorie and I have always been philanthropic, and people might remember that in 2009, the university was in a tough pickle. We lost a lot of folks, and we had an interim chancellor, and I was nominated to the Board of Visitors. Well, I didn\u2019t know what the Board of Visitors was. I thought it was a welcome group or something like this; come and welcome people to the university.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/ot5xspXA9oc5fTZrQJfxI6kUeIHOSD8DaC32ka00psdGBWf0ghkMSAfSjKtc3jfDvEtJNvyp5rXig3uOTS_WJ7FbVFc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.19\">15:11<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No, no. OK. I found out. So, [Dr. James \u201cJim\u201d H. ] Woodward appoints me. Dean Marvin Malecha said, \u201cWould you represent the College of Design?\u201d So, I did. And then Randy Woodson\u2019s brought in, and I remember the first time I saw Randy Woodson live and in person, and it was shortly after he was officially hired, and I was just, wow, I couldn\u2019t believe it. I couldn\u2019t believe how fortunate our university was. And so, I was on the Board of Visitors, and Chancellor Woodson, after a couple years of his leadership, he called me and said, \u201cWould you be the chair of the Board of Visitors?\u201d Which I was absolutely floored. So, I accepted his offer, and that sort of got me into that. And that\u2019s about the time that we launched the Think and Do the Extraordinary Campaign. And Marjorie and I, we had such a great relationship with the College of Design.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/jEt8DaO0Qc2Asoy2OZ-VW-eOMrie1Mlzg7Iuxy71UvkFbUGGhckMIMOG6umFnBGWw9mf4CLFyWgzeDRMp8gigN7HeiI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=958.85\">15:58<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I was also simultaneously appointed along with Steve Schuster, who unfortunately is no longer with us, to be the co-chairs of the capital campaign for the College of Design. And Steve and I had a conversation, and Steve said to me, \u201cChuck, nobody\u2019s going to do anything unless the two of us plant a flag.\u201d He says, \u201cI\u2019ll plant a flag for architecture if you\u2019ll plant a flag for landscape architecture.\u201d And so, we both did very substantial bequest gifts on both sides of that ledger. And we both had talked to our wives, talked everybody into this \u201cthe gift is there after you die\u201d kind of stuff, but we planted some pretty significant flags. And for me, the power of philanthropy was something that I experienced as a student. I would\u2019ve never gotten through college if Dean McKinney wasn\u2019t so good and constantly looking for $500 \u2014 \u201cGot $500? I got a kid who could use $500.\u201d And that was me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NvgomgvkeZgBh5ldT3891SGobYzxGmUHFpYANImuO4NK72-XMrOTIaDQFQ7cew6ecE1SyQBXK8r13R9R_9dHYEW7c0E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1012.17\">16:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was putting myself through school. I didn\u2019t have any money, and so, I really relied on philanthropy. So, full circle when it\u2019s coming back, and I\u2019m thinking about, \u201cWow, Marjorie, here\u2019s a chance for us to make a difference in the lives of students going forward.\u201d So, we did a bequest gift, and then we, on top of that, we did a scholarship, a fully funded scholarship that would roll out funds and started contributing. And I think it\u2019s always about, for me, it\u2019s like paying forward in a sense. I\u2019ve experienced something good. People were there to help me. I\u2019m in a position to help others. Why not do that? So, I think that\u2019s a big part of that motivation. So, those things are kind of happen a bit simultaneously. I\u2019m back here doing some teaching, and I\u2019m also involved in philanthropy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Nm_hKRU6rvoCSa_m-O2PHICpKHZ0j89W1P9eN4kkEi4PckV6x7IvKlokFq-OgPwghdVfBrInEL_eMu_PJ08cAyAIrnc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1056.04\">17:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I always like to highlight the importance of volunteering. 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So, I think that\u2019s powerful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NkRyRYDV5ud63f3Qe1BmtjqjkL1-DWCyFewqeTjMCmES-0DKWzN37FkIU9DL70p2z4RqlwY7lJEBg6AeNhF6k8imxjc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1080.04\">18:00<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Right. And so, this work then culminates around, let\u2019s see, Mark Hoversten, current dean, College of Design. Someone who I\u2019ve known for many, many years when I was working in Las Vegas on open space trail and greenway strategies in Las Vegas for about four or five years. Mark was starting a brand-new architecture landscape architecture program at UNLV.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_UroaU9SvOENx9J5mBpbZ1j6AV-WzOPrwuknOMryphE1INZ-dqZjyI3anIkCG8QX66OStOmoH5hMBK1DdOVIcNrC3yA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.11\">18:22<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>OK.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/WcPD7I-DK_DNl4s1uQyz6SETk5P0MjWyUtt8PRr4L1xj5lWWRwmsGyXtpi-n4wtnHsB4FT2k2KOniYjdn05dumqCTL0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.11\">18:22<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, that\u2019s where I first met Mark. Then many, many years later, Steve Schuster and I are on the selection committee, or the search committee, if you will, for a new dean for the College of Design, and Mark is a finalist. And so, we reconnected, and 2017, 2018, a group of people came to the chancellor and said, \u201cWe need to start real estate development at NC State. You guys have all the right practices.\u201d So, I\u2019m already kind of a faculty member, I\u2019m already involved in philanthropy leading into this, and Mark calls me and says, \u201cI know that you\u2019re getting ready for another change in life, and would you come and be a consultant to us on this?\u201d And so, I did, and then I wound up, Mark winds up appointing me in March of 2020 as the director of this program. And, of course, there is no program; there\u2019s just an idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/s3pGhf-EdFe6dQvGuWnhePaHN8_zYDgmuZeDF5qdMKCg6b4_P0Wr5emnYSrV6y8lscF0CzNO0v6B8Hl_0xhSEQZ861k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1148\">19:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, we\u2019ve been marching along in that regard. But I think all of that lead-up, and like you said, it\u2019s more than just stroking a check or doing a bequest gift or whatever. It\u2019s really a full package. 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I\u2019ve been part of several different aspects of the university \u2014 president of [the] Alumni Association, Board of Visitors, College of Design. Just various things. I think when you\u2019re giving your time, to me, it\u2019s of equal value to your ability to give treasure because your time is meaningful to students, it\u2019s meaning to faculty, it\u2019s meaningful to other alumni. And I like to think of Wolfpack Nation in this sense: I mean, it\u2019s really like a community, and there\u2019s so many people that are giving back in ways that make sense for them in their lives. And I think that\u2019s what\u2019s really, for me, what\u2019s really positive about being involved with this university and with this particular community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/RWc8Gpqa3roITZ8oQUk7BBURmR9bZyJjhtVdC4gZiYB3PH4nvEgiMdEqW7Xyq0lmBt5uEY_UhMOYQSyyS0wwm7u9kP8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1236.65\">20:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, I want to talk about, you mentioned a program, the Pappas program.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/ykMTm2N3JKw0_qgPLHeAlOCjKLTu4D0JCUv2gIW85HqwH_-OZo-7r0qIUFLvj8t431rSnWXt-qXN6DCPO9StuXmvNDo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1239.55\">20:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NbFX3mrheCUYJKf5mJABUGUGJG6DNbr0omNCHggfbAv-leO00BJ6UsO7dabOE30pbMXbOkvSNeXV2MK8PIQmFUfmtzA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1239.55\">20:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is one that you are, it\u2019s an incredible gift to the university, and then you are integral to its operation as well. Talk about this real estate program and what all it means for NC State moving forward.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/yG1UvtmitWw6uc8jEhOOfONILkMcZK0gt9u9FNMaa2lB_Gjz6sYRmXT-4NouX6VAWeKdbMnetVVljUTdT8VHEnnhyjM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1252.83\">20:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And again, I think it\u2019s easy to look at it now and go, \u201cWow.\u201d And all this, it has a very organic pathway. Mark Hoversten, heavily involved at the start of this. I\u2019m in there. We\u2019re just trying to figure out, OK, we have this level of interest in NC State doing real estate development education. It\u2019s not something the university\u2019s ever done. There\u2019s no legacy of this, right? So, I\u2019m working with the provost office now, and [Senior Vice Provost for Academic Strategy and Innovation] Helen Chen likes to say, \u201cThis is a bootstrap program,\u201d and it\u2019s true. I mean, we started with almost no resources. They kidded me, \u201cYou\u2019re a part-time volunteer, part-time employee.\u201d It\u2019s kind of a weird thing to straddle, but I think we all believed that there was something there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/AwQupScd47Tgs2m3XlJQ1mnhVS641xOyHnfQYg0jUoHQlkYHMrA0aUlUSmU3UNSehFaakmFEsoltmsDI6tSUh-38_6A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1291.17\">21:31<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And Chancellor Woodson, I cannot say enough about him. Provost Arden, I mean, there\u2019s a whole bunch of people. It\u2019s a long list of people that are involved in this. I happen to be the point person, the face of it because Mark says, \u201cPoint to you as a director.\u201d So, it\u2019s been an incredible journey, and we really didn\u2019t have a lot to sell. I mean, we started one class, we\u2019re getting a little bit of enrollment, we have 20 kids being enrolled, and the chancellor said to me, \u201cCome in and be an entrepreneur, Chuck. That\u2019s what you are. Come in and be an entrepreneur, and do your best to just jumpstart this. You\u2019re kind of swimming against the tide because universities are not naturally entrepreneurial. So, it\u2019s not going to be easy to do,\u201d but there was a lot of people, so much support on this campus for this and so many people embracing the idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/xD5-HNBDTijX8fKnBtnFSuuXuH6Sle9PJHzuc-NoCB2r8uFuvCRCOcHp0ezRb8qPTFfQqhBDE8swr0d7S6mTELKEgAw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1336.07\">22:16<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, I start calling some people I know in the industry \u2014 John Kane, Peter Pappas. I mean, I call people just kind of out cold and say, \u201cCould you come in?\u201d People that aren\u2019t part of our program \u2014 Paul Zarian at Hines, etc. And when I called Peter and he came up here, I did not realize that there was some interest from the philanthropic side. Could we connect with Peter in some way? Peter has had a very successful career, and I brought him in one of my classes, and it just connected with him right away. He understood exactly what we were trying to do and he was so excited.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/L6jQMFE1w-UMbxfBsteJbBse3AikasJJeNgtfawKkoD8H1X0ZnDd6NZIZq8Djhmza4PI7QXUDx3iUtKqL8MD5F3jGpU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1366.85\">22:46<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s Monday night. The class is supposed to run from 6:00 to 8:45. It\u2019s now 9:00. He\u2019s still sitting there with the students, and I said, \u201cPeter, we\u2019ve got to let these students go home. They have had the long day, and they\u2019re tired.\u201d And he goes, \u201cOnly if you\u2019ll go across the street and sit with me and have a glass of wine.\u201d And I said, \u201cAbsolutely.\u201d So, the bar is closed at the Aloft Hotel. We had to reopen the bar. And so, we\u2019re sitting there having a glass of wine talking about it, and he was just really genuinely excited. And he said, \u201cI am really connecting with you on the vision that you have for this program, and I\u2019d like to figure out how to be a part of it.\u201d And that was the start of a conversation that eventually about 16, 18 months later, his family, his wife, Claire, all of his family, Thomas, his daughters, the Pappas Family Foundation, gave a gift to the university of $10 million.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/7OQ8alAcZv6wSNyCJCSScPZkWPOGe1HJ3Iho4LOQtYTA1oeqbJyNf_uYDxu_b4m44N1WPoTbawJfIhAWixZHSgk1rDI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1416.33\">23:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think that\u2019s, to me, the ultimate in the power of philanthropy. How do you take a concept and an idea, connect it with people who have the wherewithal, the means to turn that into a program that is then going to benefit the state of North Carolina? I just thank Peter and his wife so much for what they\u2019ve done, all the belief they\u2019ve had in something that was really in its infancy. But since their gift was confirmed in April of \u201924, we\u2019ve raised more money on top of it. Again, everybody who\u2019s come in and offered gifts and bequests and all kinds of things has had that same connection to our vision. So, vision is very powerful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/c6QHy57nUQt_iXQp1Lq8LV9PQKqhsZmwLzhs0oRZxipPj3xHmgest0tt3zcJ_fchbHTpWFHFgHRXAQUylQoeN2IP460?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1453.59\">24:13<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have a very good friend, Sig Hutchinson, and people might know about on the podcast who\u2019s here in the Raleigh area. And Sig and I always say that raising funds for something isn\u2019t about making the ask; it\u2019s about painting a powerful vision. If you can paint a powerful vision and get people excited in this country, you can raise money. And I do think that with our capital campaign, the Think and Do the Extraordinary Campaign to things like the Peter Pappas program, I think that\u2019s what we\u2019ve done at this university. We\u2019ve painted progressive, exciting visions for what could be accomplished, and then people go, \u201cGosh, how do I get to be a part of that?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/GwVRsWn-OUBWm1zW_R36xMk-JljH5JkF5IqYefjMqjz6Q1zGjdRJLxfxfOW2j-MP1_5kPw8qgtdlFelU0NNy-Lt33CU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1493.32\">24:53<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sometimes it\u2019s certainly making contributions financially, but other times it\u2019s just &#8230; And that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing in the Pappas program. We want to connect you in our classroom with our students. We want to invite you to our engagement, the sessions that we\u2019re doing. Any way that you want to get involved, our door\u2019s open in that regard. So, we\u2019ve had a lot of the industry across North Carolina come in and support what we\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/mWejVrx8F2fqcS_LVZ0Cl55CEQDBvCX0vEq59_ZYrp_Jf4wDz3cpATfr1Mq3Jp2V-Q9xMEtRFYySQoBjEGLhzvbcneE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1514.91\">25:14<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think you made the perfect point when you said about Mr. Pappas coming and then about you being in the classroom as well. You come in maybe as a volunteer, you just really see the vision and then maybe the giving will come from that. But it really is seeing that vision. And we have so much here to look forward to in the future with NC State. We really do paint a beautiful image.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/MpBbkv6924LHfoJflhjxkkFr-AapOOBzPBJhKDpcpioeb5xK0NyP7HgMo7Kkzhz7JjB36nNfNBnFPRjebh4rNbl0eV8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1536.25\">25:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Image, right. And I just want to say for the record to be &#8230; I had no idea Peter Pappas would ever do that. And it was never my goal inviting him up here for the first time to make any ask of him. I just knew him from the industry, and I knew that he was doing some of the most incredible, progressive development work that I had seen in North Carolina. He was taking risks. He was breaking the mold on how we grow, how we build, which is the question for North Carolina.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/2oh0efJQKDKDtdXmZxkfW26W8nRpiMNdhYo8ullTx9sy2HBY_5JCWee4-2cIkSMfO9__NbQiQv4Hilo7zKM0T95vjcg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1565.41\">26:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/U5GIky2dUKL8VcA3Ttfk5Xtw1wSDej9-9IqbhlnGCYvl6FaboD1knBC7mQrkwxQCeKscEIXnaC5O8NMxpIdtszCI-4I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1565.41\">26:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we do this in a way that we achieve multiple goals for our communities? And I thought Peter was pushing the boundaries on this, and I always admired him, and I wanted him in our classroom for that reason. I wanted him to come and explain to our students how he goes about it, how he thinks about development. That was my motivation, and then I learned, gosh, he\u2019s so motivated. He and his family foundation want to be involved and want to be a leader in how we carry out that program.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Ot9TKKN3p8ZyqkCD9z8oCSDbTpM45PyCztjq3ANXA3HS8-De-QmONF6Yg5_hu2xSQ9N3lrUkvf4f0DhN182OJde49FM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1592.37\">26:32<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, I think that\u2019s really great, and I really enjoyed working with Peter a lot. He\u2019s a very driven person, and he\u2019s got a lot of energy for what he\u2019s doing, which is great. That\u2019s what you need. But I agree with you: When you can paint these pictures, whether it\u2019s supporting the university as a whole, supporting a college or a program, that\u2019s the power of philanthropy, is to connect people with their passion and connect them in a way that they drive some meaning and some benefit from their involvement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/xK0g93UwZcfZegDVufNYcaXnm5I-kzIo8RmzeHYOA6nZitueGWYdpWaly8PI3J8gawJF5FOgpalidhUZb578daawNM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1618.49\">26:58<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Absolutely. Yeah. He sounds like the perfect partner for NC State with that dynamic, that future-looking mindset and everything. So, very appreciative that he would be involved with us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/WKnrIcWxLcsLEUHzMd3681naESKos_N5QeK6PDTPSGyZr5op7EkYy04NlbLfCIJEMtLeAkJjxRd5s9JG7Tl5hqO9A9o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1628.33\">27:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah, I couldn\u2019t agree more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/fx96RVCjGr68m9P3yPURj0tqkgj9eksNfxL0mLu1EOCdGsZxJPPKfWq5wyDYcJsWcQihlUdqhN0Z8Hi0NQ7zS5kagRs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1630.09\">27:10<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, talking about the future, we are, as of this recording date, still a few weeks out, but the next big thing on NC State\u2019s calendar is Day of Giving, this annual celebration of philanthropy that we enjoy every March. Talk a little bit about how donors can get involved with the Pappas program, and with real estate and the College of Design for that, but really, just what the future holds and how listeners can become involved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/-p2P6Ckb3alVqJU_3Jqn1IC0NvtuBskmOdYJiNKakdq1AohwMOCNQakQWcv4mveGCvDLTzAmCKh2wbrgZ0vXfKk0OV8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1654.69\">27:34<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah. So, a lot of the funds that we\u2019ve raised so far are restricted funds. They\u2019re going to go towards endowment, so we don\u2019t really have access to those in the large amount that I\u2019ve talked about. So, for me, Day of Giving is an excellent opportunity for us to raise funds that we do have access to that helps us in our educational mission and endeavor. Our endowment, I set up the goal of raising $30 million so that we could operate the program with the distribution, the 3.5% to 4% distribution that comes off of it. And that would allow us to hire faculty and teach our students and do all of our educational mission.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/zAM7ALE9nlXFNqndbEOkrQJHbSHkhBFGM4nAzmEcrdrfjreqxBXHAi8Dnbc2PnNGl7RqTkGSfOMCazxbRXEtoqGtPGs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1689.19\">28:09<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But we\u2019re a long ways from that. So, what Day of Giving has meant to me in the past is, many of the small gifts, I mean from $25 to $500 to $1,000, that we\u2019re able to put into our funds that allow us to fund our operations, help our students through the academic year, that kind of stuff. So, that\u2019s the power for me of Day of Giving. And it\u2019s a way for folks to get involved in something like the Pappas program and make a contribution that fits their pocketbook, but to know that their impact is there. It has a direct relational impact to the program and the way we operate it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/bxFq9FCOryJ0PLNHjJMYBJZMewJZf-7xRVsN6rhdp0GpmdSu_vYTWx33399uv_3kCDHsOmdhhquO4tfxKDMrjSLEHBA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1724.53\">28:44<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There\u2019s sort of three legs to the stool of the Pappas program. We have an academic program where we\u2019ve enrolled now more than a hundred students in the spring semester of \u201926. We\u2019re teaching four courses in the spring, and we\u2019ll teach another four courses in the fall. We\u2019ve offered our first certificate in real estate development with a focus on design. We\u2019re getting ready to launch our second one. But the other two legs are, we have a really robust engagement program where we\u2019re doing lots of outreach across the state of North Carolina, and then we have our applied research. So, we\u2019re working with lots of different organizations, public and private sector, to put our students and faculty in a very active role where we can make an impact on the events of today through our sponsored research.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/G2A5NzZOW9OZQCZJKdN2_Mvw-3POASLeFmQVehB4JmXtaCnWQ_HHCiAaBw-1Noj7t8GcXdFFOC-lFH5rIAqhq2kS79U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1764.97\">29:24<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, a lot of design ideation work; a lot of looking at particular problems associated with real estate development, whether it be affordable housing or transportation issues or whatever, and do work presently that might shape the future of those. So, when people participate with us on Day of Giving, they\u2019re helping to fund all of that work. And it\u2019s really the aggregated dollars, to be honest. We\u2019re a lean and mean fighting machine. We operate on a pretty small budget, but I think that our impact is very outsized for what our budget is. So, that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to use Day of Giving for, is to provide access to folks who might believe in what we\u2019re doing, want to help us shape the future of growth and development in North Carolina, and they can make a contribution on Day of Giving.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/cZ1IeQkKK-JIssgKTcv49yLsKho3lLL7AUEqgaXD50rbe47kZdsJORHnPE_SwYCg5HHPKDPdS7clhYqHRj_wuBa4-6o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1806.97\">30:06<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sounds great. Yeah, this is one of those programs that I just love to highlight because we always pride ourself on being not just a thinking school, but a Think and Do school.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_je5w6ugAbmIM0KkbZR-zBswhKcRnqs9x6xJxqAaFKkNShZ07tIUMctv4VacanYLA7j1m7cCdq2cAENOroGxzJL28wU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1815.61\">30:15<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/sds7i9_G9I8WC40QWvfCJbuga3tzgfzbfFITSfUk7mTZ-x8Nqd6OPwloIlVUVr5ebgTOR8z0Y5UfXqcUth1PuxDSB6w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1815.61\">30:15<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And I feel like your program \u2014<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/CfswiXNHIaOIZ3hKZBtUoZbBOmcri1iTuBnH48T07y02YM909VkrwvJCNpWIl688h_atqce8Vdm6o30ioMNOzMleOS4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1818.17\">30:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Very much.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NmTSjcOUukMhyMMIsjRGexpaUroy0WOvV-s1V25adrd7fRaX6KPyvY19ynRy4DZwetuyU07hq1CnvmyzPkoff76Ym4c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1819.33\">30:19<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And not just for the future, too. Not just for 2050, but like you said, boots on the ground right now, really impacting how North Carolina and beyond shape these green spaces, how humans interact with our environment. Just a wonderful outreach program through academics, but, it\u2019s like you said, through research and through Extension as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Niq0hNxxqFP_QP3rhftQbs8ubK0svjK7Ae6zBwcmQXmMCa-MUBEfI-QDMWZOS40lmouvZBiOXbwZgkesu5zJi_8Tf4E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1837.27\">30:37<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah. And I think the Think and Do mantra is very much on display here. I believe that, in a rather short order, the Pappas program has become recognized as a bit of a thought leader. And I mean that programmatically, because there\u2019s a lot of people involved. We have guest lecturers, we have adjunct faculty, we have myself and my associate director, and so on and so forth. And we have a lot of bright students, a lot of bright students. The students are really the stars. They\u2019re amazing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/nH7oCMhc8aL-3FXdNJd6Hs0oRehrKlkJxsBCnU3TV2ok_fOQwnWVo4d_2ObCvmP_cOXUjny5ICbgqDwgXuK-_1Y0stk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1860.65\">31:00<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, we\u2019re creating the Think, and then the Do part of it is, we have a student-centric applied- or practicum-based education program. So, the students get an opportunity to see real estate development in its present-day form. We just finished our first land-use law class last semester. So, we were able to take current land-use law situations that are occurring in the Triangle and discuss them with our students. With the people, in some cases, that are involved in those decisions \u2014 lawyers, developers, landowners, whatever. That is really fantastic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_5ijIHfsl6pLEXCFhDMKNabZA-mGcND2G31HCHDmzW3dNUnT56wEKwFM-4THAVTLFP2NZJOvHqvekDTt4AGHr4vAceM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1896.2\">31:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/vdqdOh7X2sIGVjbXJ5hDu2UEtSGvigsVmsCWim3OnluTGZZK5nJKhaA5ymgOINka0-Bp7Gbn-5thN7KLTVOLh2ngeyU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1896.86\">31:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our students are amazed; they\u2019re responding really well. We get really high evaluations on our classes because they are so student-centric and they are so applied. And students are telling us, \u201cLook, this is probably the best class I\u2019ve taken in NC State because it pulls it all together for me. It takes my core academic education, whether that\u2019s engineering, architecture, natural sciences, whatever, landscape architecture, and then it combines it with other elements that I know I have to have in order to do problem-solving.\u201d And I do that in the classroom setting. So, it\u2019s very exciting for our students, and I think it\u2019s exciting for those who come in and participate with us as guest lecturers or industry representatives. So, you\u2019re right. I think it\u2019s just a perfect example of Think and Do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/vJFz9ysONQz-qAoT3qJEcHttjuY05XIAdztcnNB_D22Mb-ttVGgXl7t3mLZYZSGSm2W63K1aD9wKzM4G9ywkvn-A_0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1937.6\">32:17<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah. It sounds like it benefits everyone. And that\u2019s just a wonderful representation of NC State and what we hope to accomplish in the world. So, thank you so much for all that you do through this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/UDt1pVxdcbIXG31Dg3TQmP9ILKovntnGl8Afk71Er5-si8BERxul9aITGRS-K6xIUqpsG3zPY0x79Xt6HzkxYDWiNuc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1946.3\">32:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/ltkKfVRljfHhiBjHpkr7rq0uMVgOews2EiAvCGp9AqxlN6IfIWMDiuf8n7rsiO-hEetpk9cct9HxOzwyyLa19AIj8cs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1947.08\">32:27<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And thank you as well for coming out today. This has been very informative and just, really, it\u2019s been a pleasure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/RhMezOUQ03l7pRLeKS1uRn680N-ez-v6Hw1cTV28ciHs_GKjW_iHffgSkbzMLLADEaSiSLWhk3F_QDmK63WTREw9BjE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1953.2\">32:33<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Same here, Taylor. I\u2019m always happy to do this kind of work with the university, a podcast like this, and share information about the program. And, of course, go Pack. Love Wolfpack Nation, and I appreciate the opportunity to be involved with the Pappas program. So, thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/hFpn6Ef0i_tk6Wx9fZ1T0OVgd7LQ4zT9vd-qi2tN2XaZrTuXsngElZTjqOpmkCh7_D9-AccinWbgHOW91l9s7ahfUJw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1966.88\">32:46<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We appreciate it as well. I have one last question for you because it just begs to be asked.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/gPlG7oTy7y03OJukFqBveg6SsRLS4UKxOQTgRdwHtxQbcyOO0y5ATeKWw6Vi1Ow8cYRI59dbY_jaZkYvm9hF2t9HmSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1971.15\">32:51<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yes, sir.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/-Ppn2awYj8aFaZ8rgVUhukg7UnSQWRMuo-gMTcjBiM8iQnr3LIFD-jQe9H5Cgd8Ttb8dJK_llb5VEI_zbktQnAPvi-Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1971.78\">32:51<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>With real estate and with landscape architecture, what is your favorite place on campus? And that could be any campus. We have several.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/10btlZAsxnoPSNTDML5CqpVNZJ5s7kV8sVVNDZWf1A8rrc9MbLb89PcLUAhPnGarg2zy4WtDumROjFgsWwKA2lT9Xw8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1979.18\">32:59<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I know. So, I have been asked this question a lot. So, it\u2019s the Yarborough landscape that\u2019s between the College of Design campus and it\u2019s [an] old part of campus. And it\u2019s always meant a lot to me, probably because it was the first campus landscape I visited when I came to interview. I like the design of it. It\u2019s a classic university campus design with some of the best architecture on, old architecture on the campus that\u2019s still remaining as a part of the original campus that dates all the way back to the 1800s when the university was set up. And I think it\u2019s Mary Yarborough Court. It\u2019s my favorite. I mean, only because I think just, for me, it just symbolizes so much about the university, and it\u2019s been there for a long, long time. It\u2019s timeless in that regard. But, listen, there are a lot of great landscapes across the campus, and I\u2019m sure everybody has their favorite, but for me, that one is the most meaningful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/tomrxkJyo8sIY08UmzLUiTEfarImdZoMSmSQ5e81M844eq-t4om35OkORp0nolOvPqpzJijgQQ6M6hciuKE1TH5XIoE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2032.64\">33:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is a great spot. It\u2019s got the history to it. It\u2019s got the shade trees for the summer. I was thinking when you said that about coming in March and coming for spring break and thinking that you had found heaven.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/sSBJckbLjQnnqXN_T1Q3YrSjZaf10Z5cIy6wG7-jjjpgQLM-g-5x-Gry8kcmIr3nHh-VS7PztkQHxIIZO_U-Eq-6URc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2043.03\">34:03<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And the camellias in bloom in February and March.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/uUsVxl3fsKabR07kmcSiyxQTmBwmsv911pAjs6325RRw2Hor8lnjPD9GHjO20sMygqYPrjdRIaQLkn_qMcblbiPhQSo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2045.53\">34:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I thought, \u201cI\u2019m so glad he did not come in the middle of July, part of summer break. He might not have thought that about North Carolina in the summer.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/xxS_vTy3Ea4XLLCQtV6gq7La_yOqus0GB92M9TialoH-ahsgzx8NYZBbC9YslLnAZg1dQIHzUmAFyHH7brYaqPwsm_Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2052.89\">34:12<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think I probably walked through, I\u2019m pretty sure I probably walked through Yarborough on my way to the college for my interview, and it probably just hit me then. NC State does not get a lot of credit for being a really beautiful campus. That\u2019s reserved for other people, other campuses, but I think that that part of NC State\u2019s campus is quite beautiful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Rep94m-HvJ_CIXieHRK8OpuDzzMln3q4MYyC1Di_QVZQlrhFC2st_8cXo3CB_9hyIOJCs2yxuVn3xSiHWyzhAv7WK1I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2070.49\">34:30<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think so, too. Thank you again for joining us, and have a great rest of the day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/yA5vrNal18RzusWO_RygEA6CWLoc8HzR-1UgWxVsvjisytakN9RypE1qSlH7G1l7Q5uGtm-2d08Q5DfZO8M5cH4FuDY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2073.87\">34:33<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Absolutely. You, too. Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/hYajLh3JwuEQUpT-P5xFePctyj8lEhDZxUHjKwvLzl2oP6NtzRSbWAjbbcXl1hXb_pxefh0bJC7TrnjbLNqIvWBXH6g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2079.33\">34:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To learn more about the Pappas Real Estate Development Program and how you can support it, please visit <a href=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">go.ncsu.edu\/designpod<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to hear even more stories of Wolfpack success, please subscribe to the NC State Philanthropy Podcast today via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or Podbean. Please leave a comment and rating as well to let us know how we\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thanks for listening, and as always, go Pack.<\/p>\n\n\n      <\/p>\n  <\/details>\n\n\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n\n\n<aside class=\"with-image wp-block-ncst-highlight\">\n    <h2 class=\"highlight__label\">Related<\/h2>\n    <a \n      href=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/2026\/02\/podcast-caring-for-those-who-care-with-hyemi-sevening\/\"\n      class=\"highlight__link\"\n    >\n              <div class=\"highlight__image-container\">\n          <div class=\"highlight__image-background\">\n            <img \n              decoding=\"async\"\n              class=\"highlight__image wp-image-38137\"\n              src=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2026\/02\/philanthropy-podcast-template-4.jpg\"\n              alt=\"Dr. Marine Traverson (left) displays a 3D printed model to a student while working with a dog.\">\n          <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"highlight__text-container\">\n        <h3 class=\"highlight__heading\">Podcast: Caring for Those Who Care, With Hyemi Sevening<\/h3>\n                  <p class=\"highlight__teaser\">On this episode of the NC State Philanthropy Podcast, we\u2019re joined by Hyemi Sevening, assistant dean of philanthropy for the College of Veterinary Medicine, to learn how donors can partner in its life-changing work.<\/p>\n                          <p class=\"highlight__cta\">\n            <span class=\"text\">Click here to listen<\/span>\n            <span class=\"arrow-indicator\">\n              <svg class=\"wolficon\" role=\"img\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n                <use xlink:href=\"#wolficon-arrow-right-bold\"><\/use>\n              <\/svg>\n            <\/span>\n          <\/p>\n              <\/div>\n    <\/a>\n  <\/aside>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<p><em>This post was <a href=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/2026\/03\/podcast-designing-an-extraordinary-future-with-chuck-flink\/\">originally published<\/a> in Giving News.<\/em><\/p>","protected":false,"raw":"<!-- wp:ncst\/dynamic-header {\"block\":\"ncst\/default-post-header\"} -->\n<!-- wp:ncst\/default-post-header {\"displayCategoryID\":8} \/-->\n<!-- \/wp:ncst\/dynamic-header -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>On this episode of the NC State Philanthropy Podcast, we\u2019re joined by Chuck Flink, director of the university\u2019s Peter A. Pappas Real Estate Development Program, to talk about his decades-long relationship with NC State as a student, faculty member, volunteer and donor.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Flink is a two-time alumnus of NC State\u2019s College of Design, where he\u2019s currently a professor of the practice in landscape architecture and environmental planning. He is also an award-winning author, landscape architect and planner whose work has benefited communities around the world.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Together with his wife, Marjorie, Flink is a dedicated NC State supporter. In recognition of his contributions, Flink was selected as a 2019 Watauga Medalist, a 2006 Distinguished Alumnus of the College of Design and one of the original 50 recipients of the college\u2019s Wings on Wings award.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Flink played a key role in securing funding for the university\u2019s real estate development program, which was <a href=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/2024\/05\/pappas-real-estate-development\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/news.giving.ncsu.edu\/2024\/05\/pappas-real-estate-development\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">made possible<\/a> in large part by the generosity of his friend, Peter Pappas, who is a College of Design alumnus as well.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:embed {\"url\":\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4NuvDUK1DgG7Oe2n1uzqqf?si=jTcVWMOMSpKyYfgDtYt-9g\",\"type\":\"rich\",\"providerNameSlug\":\"spotify\",\"responsive\":true,\"className\":\"wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"} -->\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\nhttps:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4NuvDUK1DgG7Oe2n1uzqqf?si=jTcVWMOMSpKyYfgDtYt-9g\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Listen to \u201cDesigning an Extraordinary Future, With Chuck Flink\u201d here via Spotify, or visit the Apple podcast store, Podbean or Stitcher.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<!-- \/wp:embed -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To learn more about the Pappas Real Estate Development Program and how you can support it \u2014\u00a0especially on Day of Giving 2026 \u2014 visit <a href=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">go.ncsu.edu\/designpod<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to hear even more stories of Wolfpack success, subscribe to the NC State Philanthropy Podcast today via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or Podbean. Please leave a comment and rating as well to let us know how we\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:ncst\/accordion {\"uniqueId\":\"l8w1xs\"} -->\n<!-- wp:ncst\/accordion-item {\"heading\":\"Transcript\",\"parentUniqueId\":\"l8w1xs\",\"uniqueId\":\"zdyn8c\"} -->\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Theme Music (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/umzjsy4K1nO_ttdKoTGHLzaDbC6ExwGsMpo2ieksZ_td7a7RIOAIgr2H7scUFmbCj3fWSl7Nt8C9EqpsugmAy31vTXA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.26\">00:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Please listen carefully.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/H79YxuO0cBz_Vg02TYlxTOXyVJ9euTmc92VYQRJXwq5VSx87VKOmXY8Cr0vTTQmogPVWfk9zrQHkfaQHT9W237U8lQQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=8.12\">00:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Welcome to the NC State Philanthropy Podcast, telling the world how we Think and Do through the support of our friends, alumni and more. I\u2019m your host, Taylor Pardue.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/8NzcaUz-t0zK5wxhY2HhA6z0BpVqmrEA7ZhFi9T1DhOmg9zseKX1Pswfxn2m5689MO8SNuUUL2p6QWwRLVtUomjllFo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.14\">00:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>On this episode, we\u2019re joined by Chuck Flink, director of the Peter A. Pappas Real Estate Development Program, to talk about his time as a student, faculty member and donor at NC State.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/BlVvNd4mReRmKXKd1PS-F5pT255UZwgEbCuuu-NL7Pdw24E7RkN3g0FOHcpZQmyD4_40hm1k1dafsVVbiAwlT9SXH-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.96\">00:31<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Thanks so much for joining us today, Chuck. To kick things off, just tell listeners a little bit about yourself and what first brought you to NC State.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/7SxzYvFk8_nZAfQRKDxa0D0Wgittqh8CyCZkM63ZPU7OhlWxVMYlNucUUP3Twz2uj_L2EA5CgLsGGPokxZWG-F7zvFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.5\">00:51<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Well, I think I very much had an unconventional path to NC State because I\u2019m not a North Carolinian. And I\u2019m in the Midwest, I\u2019ve lived there all my life, and I was looking to get out of the Midwest.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/cxp2haIVvRE9e4fw6SxbVjIW4isDBReBWLAT50D-eQxWhsQYBIke1Z48rk05tDxx_AZPmmPf-7nwTKMidK-6RiBApOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.72\">01:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Oh, wow.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/9JPYdUBFVNFV8fCOU-ax2J0TnvQSLrTtrNMDOUvdHGoxPQ3juGv5DhurKhkmeIBsMHbA9g-NONzG0CiO8l96f5-SiIg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=62.68\">01:02<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And so, I started looking at Eastern cities, Eastern campuses. I wanted a landscape architecture program. I was in pre-architecture at a Division II school. I first applied to Florida; it was 30,000 kids. I said, \u201cI can\u2019t do it. I\u2019m in a Division II school.\u201d And NC State at the time \u2014 this is 1979, 1978 \u2014 it was 19,000 students. And I said, \u201cYou know what? I think I could do that.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/apMDmM5jZf_smRguqnveas-omAGlWsggMvtd972Con8JGb7_tfdDj33CBRurH0l2AE9S9KeUaeSU_sVJIXDiAMAUlGQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.28\">01:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And I\u2019m up at Northwest Missouri State. I\u2019m a long ways away from my parents, and I tell my mom I\u2019ve applied to NC State and I have a provisional letter of acceptance requiring that I go there for an interview \u2014 which stunned me. I had no idea, and I\u2019ll get more into that in just a minute. But she says, \u201cOh, you have a cousin who went to school somewhere out there.\u201d And I said, \u201cOh, really?\u201d \u201cYeah, John Gregg,\u201d which is the Gregg Museum. It\u2019s my mother\u2019s extended family, my family.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/mkYescOe5B2Ke0NEoWgVdtsyMAj2HnqcGwm1tA209dQd5bcot7o66t4xcvFX9l5h1eZwCrgXtW4ceBGeE84It6MnqsQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.28\">01:51<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, anyway, it\u2019s in March of 1979, and I\u2019ve got spring break coming up. I\u2019m at this Division II school, and I book a flight. I\u2019m 19 years old, can\u2019t rent a car, and I fly out here, and they said that this is a letter from the College of Design. I was going to have to reenter as a freshman. I was a sophomore in Division II, had accumulated a lot of credits, all that kind of stuff. And I just didn\u2019t understand what I was getting myself into, and thank God I did not. Because, at the time, the college had a cap of 100 students.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/0SKzgCmjE_i4_VggL_WE98HmyzH5CRLtDO86T5f0ekIItEi6RRnDMZ7Od2U8j47y0rH2nKfx1wx37UMAgZTlh8-Tr_I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=139.98\">02:19<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And so, I fly out, and I tell you, Taylor, the minute I hit the ground and the jet door opened and I walked out, my first thought was, \u201cI think I\u2019ve landed in heaven.\u201d I mean, it\u2019s March, there\u2019s snow on the ground, the blue skies, pine trees. This is a kid from the Midwest. Everything\u2019s gray for months.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/cclBle8FmhWA8nOjj7iD8Xz8jw_mTlOLBe9j9kpHYem2O02ltDKArQHdlmgq6akeavHVHi_W88rHbMEFiyHvSp7bo0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.12\">02:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/YAruuOdsFfD8h8o6EweBYr0Kstdx-sa1YKVYAreoufEH4m0hr98OXz3ACv1mn9Zya00kGezXwvS3h6LD43RwlWlTg0U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.12\">02:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And then I stayed overnight at what was the Planters. I think it was The Planters Inn, which is now North Hall. They converted it from the hotel to an NC State facility. The whole thing was just sort of magical. And so, I didn\u2019t really know anything about NC State. I have to be honest. I mean, I knew about David Thompson and Monte Towe, but beyond that, I just didn\u2019t know anything. So, it was really great coming out here and being part of the College of Design and graduating.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/5AsPmk0NqnBjsEO7Bpfxj8j5y87ixWk-Uo12F-x0B5vSQ2OJbUdOvXvMJoSmC9CRpf7z9zdR-Mbrk_IONJw6mShdejs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.04\">03:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And I knew right away that the value of my education was amazing. I knew it while it was happening. And I remember going up to the dean, [Claude] McKinney, and my professors and my department chair and saying, \u201cThank you. I graduated, and this was incredible.\u201d And I think that that played such a role in my experience as becoming part of Wolfpack Nation and wanting to be involved. So, I like to tell people today, \u201cLook, I\u2019ve been involved with this university for, gosh, 46, going on 47 years in some way, shape or form. I\u2019ve always had something going on and super-proud of that association and always wanted to give back, always wanted to be a part of giving back.\u201d So, that\u2019s been a big part of motivation there.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/SKiQVmuE-ZBt7ZrfsO1IGL3IL_m_9iXyHf357feR_wViamrTCVAvAIxpUuNnbL_24dnBxX9uDcwTejEG_fJUXr7yFcI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=221.62\">03:41<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Obviously, we\u2019re thrilled to have students, whether they\u2019re natives of Raleigh, natives of North Carolina. All the more coming from out of state, that\u2019s a huge vote of confidence in us, but to start your education over again, I mean, that really shows the value that you placed on this education that we provided.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/wsiF4EWySpq9QKrbiDs4RSyTSAMxiwoKi0szr-OVwJSjNUR_kUBlRTS9Z4vd3HVENbIx2agDkJng3f23MULEHRgPk3U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.9\">03:58<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We have the freshman orientation at the College of Design in what\u2019s called the Pit. There ...<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/F-Kvb0H0xnSWiJ00wEDyWWipSZDQSqVgzW3Tq2TIFMHQ5RPhY76MGPuUYOghvh8fcI2ouJflnarigBF6JHkfAnCzizs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.72\">04:02<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>OK.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/VOt2ZadEabYGzn2vT9sNNUo_vWEmh7azoUOww-Rih_C-yFLTMOt_aHVQA0qP6qDSw9sxvLGyHViJ0xzohNTFWEvWMr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=242.84\">04:02<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Those who know the College of Design, and the dean is there, and there\u2019s a hundred of us, and he says, \u201cAll of those from out of state, come to my office afterwards.\u201d Well, there were three of us, and Dean McKinney looks at us, he goes, \u201cYou\u2019re the fortunate three that we let in from out of state. Don\u2019t mess up.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_qfo03qbKL_zDnJej75riqUhV4aq9Fr15s6SNG3mpyYg2xy8Oj-uFvCaXlDmnStMiedNPZ8SJKohK75p1pxNMhZEjBA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=258.79\">04:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And that was when it first hit me, how serious all this was, and it all sort of came crashing down. But I just love everything about NC State. I love Wolfpack Nation. I love the culture. My wife, who\u2019s a Duke graduate, she\u2019s found a great home here as well. We love the people. The students are amazing. Just everything about the university is fantastic, and it\u2019s become a big part of our lives.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/UKnz_f0mjwXBKCXkA4ZlYjDtLLEoBz38NsCnhBx4lB4I0vg6wZuNL7QDDHRlWvouRQN7HQPNdbfU2g19v7XZt2Bi_d8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.2\">04:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Well, go on. I mean, you\u2019ve not just graduated once here, but again, vote of confidence. You have two degrees from NC State.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/EN2HCaAwqhmMgqzasn0ldH_yjJb2P19t6JPbpq7jHr1mz5nGmrTvDFZl_J2CBNLXXPDFt_qdejtieTPkV68GLm4ibSc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.72\">04:44<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I do really do value the Wolfpack Nation. I do. I like to kid around and say I\u2019m a very slow learner, which is true. \u201982 undergraduate, master\u2019s in \u201917. So, I think that\u2019s about 35 years. I was recruited by department head Gene Bressler \u2014 great, great friend, awesome, awesome human being \u2014 to come back and teach. And I was intimidated to do that. I had an undergraduate degree. I had probably a 30-year professional career at the time, and \u2014 something like that, 25, 30 years. And he said, \u201cOur students would value hearing from you.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/sidi5z44T6-6z5sB-vKon5YG14VTeLWe74Oo0IHscu8gX32XHgz8CtiqONFqOnL5FrHQxk40v9GI0wnfb5Hz5cnzs1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=318.68\">05:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And so, I started teaching, and he comes to me, he says, \u201cI really think you should get a master\u2019s degree.\u201d And I\u2019m in my 50s, and I\u2019m thinking, \u201cGene, I don\u2019t need a master\u2019s degree at this time in my life.\u201d I mean, I just couldn\u2019t understand the value of it from my perspective. But the rules had changed, and there was a new 30-credit-hour master\u2019s for professionals who wanted to come back and pursue that. And he knew I was working on a book that chronicled my professional career, and he put two and two together and said, \u201cLook, you could come back, get a master\u2019s degree, finish your book and be of great value to the university. We could knock a whole bunch of pins down at once if you\u2019re just agreeable to it.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/-TFD67zgyher0Ub29G4D0uf7Ykfz8H9tR-vkKj0jQ1r6sf1ExPmkZDHIKeKXarsZJZHkYCZK7rUVi53Ux_Geoj6v0ho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=354.52\">05:54<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, here I go. I go back to school, and I get my master\u2019s degree, and I published a book, which was a shock. It\u2019s turned out to be really good on many, many levels. And then working with Gene, he wanted me to continue on and elevate my role in the academy to be a professor of the practice. So, he really, he worked with the faculty, the Department of Landscape Architecture and Environmental Planning, and here I become a professor of practice.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/rRvq7cYCQ4HZI_wr9zLnX_78bkbH9er-7BTR7yiXDfyYB2JzZ7098AmO7qnNA_e3t8F1TTsw9I-NdUc2uvXmRBrlR5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=383.36\">06:23<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And my mother, who was alive at the time, is laughing so hard because there are some very significant people in her side of the family that were educators, including one who started the junior college system in Florida. And she\u2019s like, \u201cI can\u2019t believe my son\u201d and her other son \u201care both at the university.\u201d Tickled her to no end that we would do that. I feel like I\u2019m a tourist on this journey, stumbling along and just doing things, but I really thank Gene Bressler for helping me on that pathway.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/lLAhdYANnjMuC7qcdfXLsczQ4HMkR__15efNWPrqiayF328z5MN11BxDSmfzUFoJk8-DazdQ89g3eLqWDE7Y13AK8FI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.02\">06:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Sounds great. Now, I\u2019ve obviously jumped us forward in time, if listeners are paying attention. Step back a bit. Talk about your career. It\u2019s amazing in its own right.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/RDwqgYH_k0p0M9YMUC0mPLbS5IzoJebraBfnyOEBKBR-XM-ZmjxjhPsyY2_frKiiNlrn7fIQXY1cYrBDSY_rUvEhVnY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=421.18\">07:01<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I\u2019m very blessed. I became very interested right after school. Well, first of all, I graduated into the middle of a recession, which a lot of people don\u2019t remember the \u201982 recession and how bad it was. Double-digit interest rates, double-digit everything, inflation. I mean, it was a really tough time, and there were no jobs. I got one job offer out of college from a great firm, good friends with them to this day, LandDesign in Charlotte. It was Brad [Davis] and Larry [Best], who were just starting out at the time, and they said, \u201cWe\u2019ll pay you $16,000 if you come down here and work your butt off.\u201d And I sort of just did the math in my head and figured, well, I think I could probably do that on my own.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/TErbJsz5ZMP9u24_BM9kdYx_M90dc-HgMGLoNUptrR_ZMXo0ewOdcmw8ZuZCTtx4vbI48F-mGhze-Ytw4zPTi7-FO5I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=455.28\">07:35<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, I kind of threw a shingle out in the middle of a recession, and I was a utility infielder. I would do anything for anybody. Any job that nobody wanted to do, I would do it. And it was on-the-job training. But then I was a volunteer, too, and somebody came to me and said, \u201cThere\u2019s the perfect job for you downtown Raleigh: the Raleigh Greenway Planner. You should go and apply.\u201d And I really did not know much about greenways at the time, but I applied for it, and I got the job, and that was the start of a career that spans to this day. And I feel so lucky to have been able to marry a passion for the outdoors and for conservation of the earth\u2019s natural resources with a career in that, and then helping to build trails and building access.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/5TGcZfl8AQN6rbW0vzy4l3C--9WcPA67ODhMXByBS4cwW6SYiBOWua9a-0eHVD_eYy_Dip5kw6yOLj4LjvrAlc84hLs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=496.18\">08:16<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And so, that career \u2014 which, by the way, started off pretty rough. I mean, for the first five or six years when I ... So, I started in \u201986. I met my wife in \u201991, and I really like to share this because it\u2019s true. And Marjorie\u2019s always quick to say, \u201cI knew this guy before he had a penny.\u201d I didn\u2019t even have two wooden nickels to rub together. So, I was not only broke, but I also was deeply in debt trying to start a company, and she took me in anyway. So, I mean, I owe a lot to Marjorie. She was a big believer in me before anybody else was a believer in me.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/9M5ZC2GF0yXn8NPxXZWLcBMdX72EREnt5vhyi-4R0F-I4AZT5-GGzXWgOcLfGm-bTSRw3bkbZhvVnySRqS2WzI7OYZw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.6\">08:45<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, we started off, and then all of a sudden all that work and all those seeds that were planted hit at the right time. And there was this real tidal wave of interest in greenways in the United States and around the world. And here I was, I had a company called Greenways Incorporated that I formed in 1986 and left the city of Raleigh, and it\u2019s just been incredible in that regard. So, I feel very fortunate with my career, but I also know I worked extremely hard. I put a lot of time into making it a worthwhile career as well.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/StWou4T5kaMyNkDgq3BWhB-BVSabe7QWovrH032zZ2dRQlmLeje6luJqO7WdYsQXQrf9jzD4MAuE7E-l0AGjc3Zfo_Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=558.1\">09:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Talk a little bit about, what does that journey been like? What all does your job involve? And we always talk about how NC State alumni affect our state, nation and world. Your work, especially, the more I\u2019ve read about it in preparation for this interview, it\u2019s amazing all the places that you\u2019ve been able to visit, the places that you\u2019ve had an impact on.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/KVGyOdojS5A0BJo7Rhhuk2f5x8J_2z7khZOENqQiNuerLG68xe-kyujTeu6OVnCQgHEn7TLH8cYdunuPyL4LJZH-Aqw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=579.1\">09:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>It\u2019s incredible because I think people would recall there was an environmental movement in the \u201960s. There was a president in Nixon who helped author and get enacted a lot of environmental legislation. There was a real meeting of the minds. Through the \u201970s and the early \u201980s, there was a bit of departure from some of that stuff, but this national interest in greenways, I like to say, has been a conversation that\u2019s been going on in this country for a long, long time. And actually, in the Raleigh area, it\u2019s amazing because 1969, Lewis Clarke really pioneers the idea of a capital city greenway system. He calls it the \u201cgreen fingers.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/pE6G--0iBVc9Zt9iYm1URAQltt4hfQFZXy-NqLXQED9M3yiqVJeImEUWeSqyE1R1YWC2Q--SHiAl3D2arqzPZ1D5tBo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.12\">10:15<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Bill Flournoy, a master\u2019s degree student at NC State in the College of Design, looking for his thesis project, writes what I say to this day is the most definitive guide on how to create a community greenway system. It\u2019s [a] brilliant piece of work. And then I come along, and the interesting thing is, we\u2019re all associated with the College of Design, but none of us ever had a conversation about our love for greenways. So, it\u2019s really fascinating in that regard. But I connected with this, and then there\u2019s this national interest in it. The <em>National Geographic<\/em> writes an article about it. It becomes one of the most-read <em>National Geographic<\/em> articles of all time; huge amounts of interest from around the world. It just strikes a note that people felt like we ought to have a broad conservation initiative. We ought to be connected to the lands and waters in our neighborhoods and in our communities that we love. We ought to be able to connect that across the community to provide [a] variety of different benefits.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/5jZBwERci6G7MTPUwRKHbTDBoZLSK-t7eezySCedYb0xQaRymnjIk-8u0ubE_0NTmibC5B8vaeFY-99ccyUBSl6cPus?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=670.68\">11:10<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And I feel like my passion and my wanting to work hard was well-placed in this emerging industry. I remember when it started out, I mean, I kind of knew everything that was going on, and now it\u2019s a multi-billion dollar industry all over the world. And so, no way you can track it, but it\u2019s been fun to be involved. I have written three books on the subject. <em>Greenway<\/em> is a guide to planning and design development. It came out in \u201993, and then <em>Trails for the 21st Century<\/em> in 2001, and then <em>The Greenway Imperative<\/em>, which was my master\u2019s thesis, came out in March of 2020. So, along the way, I\u2019ve tried to be part of a group of storytellers, people that chronicled the rise of the American greenway movement and how it went all around the world, as well as sharing technical information on how people might create greenways in their communities.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/XzJnUg5IQrBQ3se52UFw2l3sMltMmt_g4kTOcdxK-PoBc6pUrXMzmancxG-NJyTVjnSwLDV7WpuWPyEzkBwd7QQ0gTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=719.6\">11:59<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I didn\u2019t realize that was your master\u2019s thesis published. All the more taking what you learned here and spreading it to the masses.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/lSnlfXIExe0aCUaVXLcBfQXLjVWH4dY1L71ODXMLKgGotYP8brsS2rbmu0FXTohD2gwkqLpqkVnrsTT_Tkx9WvVRr5k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=725.32\">12:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. Crazy.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/vgI5v3gQmDxnrJYkezLmVYi9xE0zKBX5W1lCOP-YU_jFfTSnJ4Ukggt6_PZAT5Ywv9BCwt2ekM1AKmYThswI9t6rhrk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=728.12\">12:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>You\u2019ve mentioned it earlier. Talk a little bit about how you came back and got involved as a faculty member \u2014 not to give it away to, the surprise to the listeners \u2014 but as a faculty member and then as a donor as well.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/PYx3ArU--LJbi9usToE6oah0Wk4UI8rz0vDYVHeWQL1D5btq0R44PBFvm42bf15Fbg6-N64J4hUUmUYqkiOegtabEUA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=738.54\">12:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/2NC_5yX9DKzAkF2JLRzYpMI-hfITqe48tkF9UdY9zjaEigEXZ1WRqz_sXK_Sj3ep5613RqmZKkUc0XOa5KUXtAeZwEc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=738.54\">12:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>It\u2019s one thing to be proud of where you came from, but to want to get involved like that is just extraordinary.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/9_rWnvZuHuTSaKZh61NUdsdahTqGDAi888AkUKdw3suuXnQMIhkAKF6H4TtbO-mY5VNiJwcJLK_XAenPtUOtEMRnvF0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=746.08\">12:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, again, credit to Gene Bressler. He really pursued me. And when you\u2019re a private practice and you\u2019ve got tons of clients and you\u2019re running a company and there\u2019s so much on your mind. And when somebody approaches you, said, \u201cCome back to the university,\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cI barely have time for myself,\u201d which was my response. \u201cI don\u2019t really have time to do this.\u201d But Gene didn\u2019t give up, and there were some changes for me. I decided that the time was right. I turned 50. I\u2019d run the company as long as I possibly could. It was almost ready to run me. And so, we found a buyer. We found a way to merge my company with another company, a national company called Alta. So, we became sort of Alta\/Greenways, and that freed up some time for me. I knew that it was time to step away from the day-to-day operation.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/beHShf8rlQEkw2Ukyvt7kMw0V_UDIEwb2c8YS4GuubawiFrh8CEgX4d_IKY2sH30NwIg5HKsJS0oQLqk2MHa9n5BjyU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=793.7\">13:13<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I wound up helping to bring in for that group two of the largest contracts, design development contracts that we had ever seen: one with the Walton Family Foundation in Northwest Arkansas, and the other with the Hyde Family Foundation in Memphis. And so, I spent almost 10 years running two projects for them. So, it freed up some time for me because I wasn\u2019t really running the company anymore. And I walked with Gene into the classroom. So, we had to decide what we were going to teach, and that was the first question he said. \u201cWell, what do you want to talk about?\u201d \u201cGene, you\u2019re the one who asked me to come in here. I don\u2019t know.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/OA-tN7Uf7PJbJxkG_sBlLR3ln-NLweb6kGWbN7CzgAbWTChNbCymt0MJ3tCxapTdwfvWox_wdJb1N9do23BC8VjlQPA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=824.26\">13:44<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>But we had this conversation, and we decided that we wanted to teach to the future. We had a long conversation. I said, \u201cWhen I was in school, nobody really talked much about the future.\u201d And so, we came up with a course title, \u201cThe Landscape Imperative,\u201d in which we began to frame issues about the future. And this is 12, 15 years ago. And I began to really look at evidence that pointed to the future. And I wanted to select a target year, and 2050 became the target year, because it was one that was being thought about and documented. And at that time, it was 35-plus years out. And so, we began to frame a whole course around that, and we got a lot of students that became very interested.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/a2OYA4fUTlx6vfhwddhbUINKkAooOox7Q6jHMbI3NZ0v8QRl7nfFD_YMbVD6_aAm9l63x6GzURnLKroDrQkZS0qPqBE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=866.78\">14:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And in a way, it also became a bit of a recruiting class for the Department of Landscape Architecture, because we had kids from other colleges that enrolled. Students from UNC came over. So, it was an interesting class. It was sort of a 101 on landscape architecture, but it had this sort of future-forecasting. So, that\u2019s how I got involved in the faculty side of it. And then I\u2019m going to get back to this because I want to talk about the donor side of it for just a moment. Marjorie and I have always been philanthropic, and people might remember that in 2009, the university was in a tough pickle. We lost a lot of folks, and we had an interim chancellor, and I was nominated to the Board of Visitors. Well, I didn\u2019t know what the Board of Visitors was. I thought it was a welcome group or something like this; come and welcome people to the university.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/ot5xspXA9oc5fTZrQJfxI6kUeIHOSD8DaC32ka00psdGBWf0ghkMSAfSjKtc3jfDvEtJNvyp5rXig3uOTS_WJ7FbVFc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.19\">15:11<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>No, no. OK. I found out. So, [Dr. James \u201cJim\u201d H. ] Woodward appoints me. Dean Marvin Malecha said, \u201cWould you represent the College of Design?\u201d So, I did. And then Randy Woodson\u2019s brought in, and I remember the first time I saw Randy Woodson live and in person, and it was shortly after he was officially hired, and I was just, wow, I couldn\u2019t believe it. I couldn\u2019t believe how fortunate our university was. And so, I was on the Board of Visitors, and Chancellor Woodson, after a couple years of his leadership, he called me and said, \u201cWould you be the chair of the Board of Visitors?\u201d Which I was absolutely floored. So, I accepted his offer, and that sort of got me into that. And that\u2019s about the time that we launched the Think and Do the Extraordinary Campaign. And Marjorie and I, we had such a great relationship with the College of Design.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/jEt8DaO0Qc2Asoy2OZ-VW-eOMrie1Mlzg7Iuxy71UvkFbUGGhckMIMOG6umFnBGWw9mf4CLFyWgzeDRMp8gigN7HeiI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=958.85\">15:58<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And I was also simultaneously appointed along with Steve Schuster, who unfortunately is no longer with us, to be the co-chairs of the capital campaign for the College of Design. And Steve and I had a conversation, and Steve said to me, \u201cChuck, nobody\u2019s going to do anything unless the two of us plant a flag.\u201d He says, \u201cI\u2019ll plant a flag for architecture if you\u2019ll plant a flag for landscape architecture.\u201d And so, we both did very substantial bequest gifts on both sides of that ledger. And we both had talked to our wives, talked everybody into this \u201cthe gift is there after you die\u201d kind of stuff, but we planted some pretty significant flags. And for me, the power of philanthropy was something that I experienced as a student. I would\u2019ve never gotten through college if Dean McKinney wasn\u2019t so good and constantly looking for $500 \u2014 \u201cGot $500? I got a kid who could use $500.\u201d And that was me.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NvgomgvkeZgBh5ldT3891SGobYzxGmUHFpYANImuO4NK72-XMrOTIaDQFQ7cew6ecE1SyQBXK8r13R9R_9dHYEW7c0E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1012.17\">16:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I was putting myself through school. I didn\u2019t have any money, and so, I really relied on philanthropy. So, full circle when it\u2019s coming back, and I\u2019m thinking about, \u201cWow, Marjorie, here\u2019s a chance for us to make a difference in the lives of students going forward.\u201d So, we did a bequest gift, and then we, on top of that, we did a scholarship, a fully funded scholarship that would roll out funds and started contributing. And I think it\u2019s always about, for me, it\u2019s like paying forward in a sense. I\u2019ve experienced something good. People were there to help me. I\u2019m in a position to help others. Why not do that? So, I think that\u2019s a big part of that motivation. So, those things are kind of happen a bit simultaneously. I\u2019m back here doing some teaching, and I\u2019m also involved in philanthropy.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Nm_hKRU6rvoCSa_m-O2PHICpKHZ0j89W1P9eN4kkEi4PckV6x7IvKlokFq-OgPwghdVfBrInEL_eMu_PJ08cAyAIrnc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1056.04\">17:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I always like to highlight the importance of volunteering. So many times, people think \u201cgiving\u201d means dollars, and it does to a point.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/UcUdFs3qlh1Hc8H7wGKyVIaKz3hDN_IWme7qouMOoLzdDOyTBorbsYT8pnk8lYRUy8K0HXMUSE-KRvle79wHA_0gR90?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1063.8\">17:43<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To a point.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/s3woQFmJfyZFBR5eUL8XLRTZgFlt243GhSq4aYYQSooBxxC_PzsvC4wR_JHP6zqHEM77_rg-CBnVkcO833z8PSk-MQc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1065.41\">17:45<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>You have the best of both worlds in your situation because you\u2019re getting face time with students. I mean, you\u2019re feeling the life of campus around here and helping instruct them and then also preparing for the future as well. So, I think that\u2019s powerful.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NkRyRYDV5ud63f3Qe1BmtjqjkL1-DWCyFewqeTjMCmES-0DKWzN37FkIU9DL70p2z4RqlwY7lJEBg6AeNhF6k8imxjc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1080.04\">18:00<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Right. And so, this work then culminates around, let\u2019s see, Mark Hoversten, current dean, College of Design. Someone who I\u2019ve known for many, many years when I was working in Las Vegas on open space trail and greenway strategies in Las Vegas for about four or five years. Mark was starting a brand-new architecture landscape architecture program at UNLV.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_UroaU9SvOENx9J5mBpbZ1j6AV-WzOPrwuknOMryphE1INZ-dqZjyI3anIkCG8QX66OStOmoH5hMBK1DdOVIcNrC3yA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.11\">18:22<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>OK.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/WcPD7I-DK_DNl4s1uQyz6SETk5P0MjWyUtt8PRr4L1xj5lWWRwmsGyXtpi-n4wtnHsB4FT2k2KOniYjdn05dumqCTL0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.11\">18:22<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, that\u2019s where I first met Mark. Then many, many years later, Steve Schuster and I are on the selection committee, or the search committee, if you will, for a new dean for the College of Design, and Mark is a finalist. And so, we reconnected, and 2017, 2018, a group of people came to the chancellor and said, \u201cWe need to start real estate development at NC State. You guys have all the right practices.\u201d So, I\u2019m already kind of a faculty member, I\u2019m already involved in philanthropy leading into this, and Mark calls me and says, \u201cI know that you\u2019re getting ready for another change in life, and would you come and be a consultant to us on this?\u201d And so, I did, and then I wound up, Mark winds up appointing me in March of 2020 as the director of this program. And, of course, there is no program; there\u2019s just an idea.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/s3pGhf-EdFe6dQvGuWnhePaHN8_zYDgmuZeDF5qdMKCg6b4_P0Wr5emnYSrV6y8lscF0CzNO0v6B8Hl_0xhSEQZ861k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1148\">19:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, we\u2019ve been marching along in that regard. But I think all of that lead-up, and like you said, it\u2019s more than just stroking a check or doing a bequest gift or whatever. It\u2019s really a full package. It\u2019s really about connecting with your university and all the elements of it and the passion that people have for the university and what it\u2019s capable of doing for society. And I think the Pappas Real Estate Program, which is what it\u2019s called, does that in a very big way. I mean, it\u2019s a really big idea. It\u2019s looking to the future of North Carolina, and it\u2019s harnessing all the power and the passion of the university, and trying to do that in a way that will affect North Carolina in a really positive way going forward.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/BOZ01NIbT5J3S0nd3V1bXCre8bh4EE9rzbJ8fQeh4nMsF0r1jb3dW40-WYdZLXYtRqgv9fVawBXMvs3VP2G6P2mLRHA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1189.77\">19:49<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Absolutely.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/FSqgrCdmOYMtnU4cOKRmLNxPP2A4G3-zg6nwFd287RH1Ym1ocRLWx-skNtWwD9FKjnjpJDILPVG-jfZmlrGZwfY6D2k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1190.15\">19:50<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>A lot of challenges out there. So, I think that when Marjorie and I, I mean, she\u2019s been on Wolfpack Women in Philanthropy since it started. I\u2019ve been part of several different aspects of the university \u2014 president of [the] Alumni Association, Board of Visitors, College of Design. Just various things. I think when you\u2019re giving your time, to me, it\u2019s of equal value to your ability to give treasure because your time is meaningful to students, it\u2019s meaning to faculty, it\u2019s meaningful to other alumni. And I like to think of Wolfpack Nation in this sense: I mean, it\u2019s really like a community, and there\u2019s so many people that are giving back in ways that make sense for them in their lives. And I think that\u2019s what\u2019s really, for me, what\u2019s really positive about being involved with this university and with this particular community.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/RWc8Gpqa3roITZ8oQUk7BBURmR9bZyJjhtVdC4gZiYB3PH4nvEgiMdEqW7Xyq0lmBt5uEY_UhMOYQSyyS0wwm7u9kP8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1236.65\">20:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Well, I want to talk about, you mentioned a program, the Pappas program.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/ykMTm2N3JKw0_qgPLHeAlOCjKLTu4D0JCUv2gIW85HqwH_-OZo-7r0qIUFLvj8t431rSnWXt-qXN6DCPO9StuXmvNDo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1239.55\">20:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Yeah.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NbFX3mrheCUYJKf5mJABUGUGJG6DNbr0omNCHggfbAv-leO00BJ6UsO7dabOE30pbMXbOkvSNeXV2MK8PIQmFUfmtzA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1239.55\">20:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>This is one that you are, it\u2019s an incredible gift to the university, and then you are integral to its operation as well. Talk about this real estate program and what all it means for NC State moving forward.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/yG1UvtmitWw6uc8jEhOOfONILkMcZK0gt9u9FNMaa2lB_Gjz6sYRmXT-4NouX6VAWeKdbMnetVVljUTdT8VHEnnhyjM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1252.83\">20:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And again, I think it\u2019s easy to look at it now and go, \u201cWow.\u201d And all this, it has a very organic pathway. Mark Hoversten, heavily involved at the start of this. I\u2019m in there. We\u2019re just trying to figure out, OK, we have this level of interest in NC State doing real estate development education. It\u2019s not something the university\u2019s ever done. There\u2019s no legacy of this, right? So, I\u2019m working with the provost office now, and [Senior Vice Provost for Academic Strategy and Innovation] Helen Chen likes to say, \u201cThis is a bootstrap program,\u201d and it\u2019s true. I mean, we started with almost no resources. They kidded me, \u201cYou\u2019re a part-time volunteer, part-time employee.\u201d It\u2019s kind of a weird thing to straddle, but I think we all believed that there was something there.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/AwQupScd47Tgs2m3XlJQ1mnhVS641xOyHnfQYg0jUoHQlkYHMrA0aUlUSmU3UNSehFaakmFEsoltmsDI6tSUh-38_6A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1291.17\">21:31<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And Chancellor Woodson, I cannot say enough about him. Provost Arden, I mean, there\u2019s a whole bunch of people. It\u2019s a long list of people that are involved in this. I happen to be the point person, the face of it because Mark says, \u201cPoint to you as a director.\u201d So, it\u2019s been an incredible journey, and we really didn\u2019t have a lot to sell. I mean, we started one class, we\u2019re getting a little bit of enrollment, we have 20 kids being enrolled, and the chancellor said to me, \u201cCome in and be an entrepreneur, Chuck. That\u2019s what you are. Come in and be an entrepreneur, and do your best to just jumpstart this. You\u2019re kind of swimming against the tide because universities are not naturally entrepreneurial. So, it\u2019s not going to be easy to do,\u201d but there was a lot of people, so much support on this campus for this and so many people embracing the idea.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/xD5-HNBDTijX8fKnBtnFSuuXuH6Sle9PJHzuc-NoCB2r8uFuvCRCOcHp0ezRb8qPTFfQqhBDE8swr0d7S6mTELKEgAw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1336.07\">22:16<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, I start calling some people I know in the industry \u2014 John Kane, Peter Pappas. I mean, I call people just kind of out cold and say, \u201cCould you come in?\u201d People that aren\u2019t part of our program \u2014 Paul Zarian at Hines, etc. And when I called Peter and he came up here, I did not realize that there was some interest from the philanthropic side. Could we connect with Peter in some way? Peter has had a very successful career, and I brought him in one of my classes, and it just connected with him right away. He understood exactly what we were trying to do and he was so excited.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/L6jQMFE1w-UMbxfBsteJbBse3AikasJJeNgtfawKkoD8H1X0ZnDd6NZIZq8Djhmza4PI7QXUDx3iUtKqL8MD5F3jGpU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1366.85\">22:46<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>It\u2019s Monday night. The class is supposed to run from 6:00 to 8:45. It\u2019s now 9:00. He\u2019s still sitting there with the students, and I said, \u201cPeter, we\u2019ve got to let these students go home. They have had the long day, and they\u2019re tired.\u201d And he goes, \u201cOnly if you\u2019ll go across the street and sit with me and have a glass of wine.\u201d And I said, \u201cAbsolutely.\u201d So, the bar is closed at the Aloft Hotel. We had to reopen the bar. And so, we\u2019re sitting there having a glass of wine talking about it, and he was just really genuinely excited. And he said, \u201cI am really connecting with you on the vision that you have for this program, and I\u2019d like to figure out how to be a part of it.\u201d And that was the start of a conversation that eventually about 16, 18 months later, his family, his wife, Claire, all of his family, Thomas, his daughters, the Pappas Family Foundation, gave a gift to the university of $10 million.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/7OQ8alAcZv6wSNyCJCSScPZkWPOGe1HJ3Iho4LOQtYTA1oeqbJyNf_uYDxu_b4m44N1WPoTbawJfIhAWixZHSgk1rDI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1416.33\">23:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I think that\u2019s, to me, the ultimate in the power of philanthropy. How do you take a concept and an idea, connect it with people who have the wherewithal, the means to turn that into a program that is then going to benefit the state of North Carolina? I just thank Peter and his wife so much for what they\u2019ve done, all the belief they\u2019ve had in something that was really in its infancy. But since their gift was confirmed in April of \u201924, we\u2019ve raised more money on top of it. Again, everybody who\u2019s come in and offered gifts and bequests and all kinds of things has had that same connection to our vision. So, vision is very powerful.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/c6QHy57nUQt_iXQp1Lq8LV9PQKqhsZmwLzhs0oRZxipPj3xHmgest0tt3zcJ_fchbHTpWFHFgHRXAQUylQoeN2IP460?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1453.59\">24:13<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I have a very good friend, Sig Hutchinson, and people might know about on the podcast who\u2019s here in the Raleigh area. And Sig and I always say that raising funds for something isn\u2019t about making the ask; it\u2019s about painting a powerful vision. If you can paint a powerful vision and get people excited in this country, you can raise money. And I do think that with our capital campaign, the Think and Do the Extraordinary Campaign to things like the Peter Pappas program, I think that\u2019s what we\u2019ve done at this university. We\u2019ve painted progressive, exciting visions for what could be accomplished, and then people go, \u201cGosh, how do I get to be a part of that?\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/GwVRsWn-OUBWm1zW_R36xMk-JljH5JkF5IqYefjMqjz6Q1zGjdRJLxfxfOW2j-MP1_5kPw8qgtdlFelU0NNy-Lt33CU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1493.32\">24:53<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Sometimes it\u2019s certainly making contributions financially, but other times it\u2019s just ... And that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing in the Pappas program. We want to connect you in our classroom with our students. We want to invite you to our engagement, the sessions that we\u2019re doing. Any way that you want to get involved, our door\u2019s open in that regard. So, we\u2019ve had a lot of the industry across North Carolina come in and support what we\u2019re doing.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/mWejVrx8F2fqcS_LVZ0Cl55CEQDBvCX0vEq59_ZYrp_Jf4wDz3cpATfr1Mq3Jp2V-Q9xMEtRFYySQoBjEGLhzvbcneE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1514.91\">25:14<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I think you made the perfect point when you said about Mr. Pappas coming and then about you being in the classroom as well. You come in maybe as a volunteer, you just really see the vision and then maybe the giving will come from that. But it really is seeing that vision. And we have so much here to look forward to in the future with NC State. We really do paint a beautiful image.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/MpBbkv6924LHfoJflhjxkkFr-AapOOBzPBJhKDpcpioeb5xK0NyP7HgMo7Kkzhz7JjB36nNfNBnFPRjebh4rNbl0eV8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1536.25\">25:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Image, right. And I just want to say for the record to be ... I had no idea Peter Pappas would ever do that. And it was never my goal inviting him up here for the first time to make any ask of him. I just knew him from the industry, and I knew that he was doing some of the most incredible, progressive development work that I had seen in North Carolina. He was taking risks. He was breaking the mold on how we grow, how we build, which is the question for North Carolina.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/2oh0efJQKDKDtdXmZxkfW26W8nRpiMNdhYo8ullTx9sy2HBY_5JCWee4-2cIkSMfO9__NbQiQv4Hilo7zKM0T95vjcg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1565.41\">26:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Sure.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/U5GIky2dUKL8VcA3Ttfk5Xtw1wSDej9-9IqbhlnGCYvl6FaboD1knBC7mQrkwxQCeKscEIXnaC5O8NMxpIdtszCI-4I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1565.41\">26:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>How do we do this in a way that we achieve multiple goals for our communities? And I thought Peter was pushing the boundaries on this, and I always admired him, and I wanted him in our classroom for that reason. I wanted him to come and explain to our students how he goes about it, how he thinks about development. That was my motivation, and then I learned, gosh, he\u2019s so motivated. He and his family foundation want to be involved and want to be a leader in how we carry out that program.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Ot9TKKN3p8ZyqkCD9z8oCSDbTpM45PyCztjq3ANXA3HS8-De-QmONF6Yg5_hu2xSQ9N3lrUkvf4f0DhN182OJde49FM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1592.37\">26:32<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, I think that\u2019s really great, and I really enjoyed working with Peter a lot. He\u2019s a very driven person, and he\u2019s got a lot of energy for what he\u2019s doing, which is great. That\u2019s what you need. But I agree with you: When you can paint these pictures, whether it\u2019s supporting the university as a whole, supporting a college or a program, that\u2019s the power of philanthropy, is to connect people with their passion and connect them in a way that they drive some meaning and some benefit from their involvement.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/xK0g93UwZcfZegDVufNYcaXnm5I-kzIo8RmzeHYOA6nZitueGWYdpWaly8PI3J8gawJF5FOgpalidhUZb578daawNM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1618.49\">26:58<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Absolutely. Yeah. He sounds like the perfect partner for NC State with that dynamic, that future-looking mindset and everything. So, very appreciative that he would be involved with us.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/WKnrIcWxLcsLEUHzMd3681naESKos_N5QeK6PDTPSGyZr5op7EkYy04NlbLfCIJEMtLeAkJjxRd5s9JG7Tl5hqO9A9o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1628.33\">27:08<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Yeah, I couldn\u2019t agree more.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/fx96RVCjGr68m9P3yPURj0tqkgj9eksNfxL0mLu1EOCdGsZxJPPKfWq5wyDYcJsWcQihlUdqhN0Z8Hi0NQ7zS5kagRs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1630.09\">27:10<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, talking about the future, we are, as of this recording date, still a few weeks out, but the next big thing on NC State\u2019s calendar is Day of Giving, this annual celebration of philanthropy that we enjoy every March. Talk a little bit about how donors can get involved with the Pappas program, and with real estate and the College of Design for that, but really, just what the future holds and how listeners can become involved.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/-p2P6Ckb3alVqJU_3Jqn1IC0NvtuBskmOdYJiNKakdq1AohwMOCNQakQWcv4mveGCvDLTzAmCKh2wbrgZ0vXfKk0OV8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1654.69\">27:34<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Yeah. So, a lot of the funds that we\u2019ve raised so far are restricted funds. They\u2019re going to go towards endowment, so we don\u2019t really have access to those in the large amount that I\u2019ve talked about. So, for me, Day of Giving is an excellent opportunity for us to raise funds that we do have access to that helps us in our educational mission and endeavor. Our endowment, I set up the goal of raising $30 million so that we could operate the program with the distribution, the 3.5% to 4% distribution that comes off of it. And that would allow us to hire faculty and teach our students and do all of our educational mission.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/zAM7ALE9nlXFNqndbEOkrQJHbSHkhBFGM4nAzmEcrdrfjreqxBXHAi8Dnbc2PnNGl7RqTkGSfOMCazxbRXEtoqGtPGs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1689.19\">28:09<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>But we\u2019re a long ways from that. So, what Day of Giving has meant to me in the past is, many of the small gifts, I mean from $25 to $500 to $1,000, that we\u2019re able to put into our funds that allow us to fund our operations, help our students through the academic year, that kind of stuff. So, that\u2019s the power for me of Day of Giving. And it\u2019s a way for folks to get involved in something like the Pappas program and make a contribution that fits their pocketbook, but to know that their impact is there. It has a direct relational impact to the program and the way we operate it.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/bxFq9FCOryJ0PLNHjJMYBJZMewJZf-7xRVsN6rhdp0GpmdSu_vYTWx33399uv_3kCDHsOmdhhquO4tfxKDMrjSLEHBA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1724.53\">28:44<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>There\u2019s sort of three legs to the stool of the Pappas program. We have an academic program where we\u2019ve enrolled now more than a hundred students in the spring semester of \u201926. We\u2019re teaching four courses in the spring, and we\u2019ll teach another four courses in the fall. We\u2019ve offered our first certificate in real estate development with a focus on design. We\u2019re getting ready to launch our second one. But the other two legs are, we have a really robust engagement program where we\u2019re doing lots of outreach across the state of North Carolina, and then we have our applied research. So, we\u2019re working with lots of different organizations, public and private sector, to put our students and faculty in a very active role where we can make an impact on the events of today through our sponsored research.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/G2A5NzZOW9OZQCZJKdN2_Mvw-3POASLeFmQVehB4JmXtaCnWQ_HHCiAaBw-1Noj7t8GcXdFFOC-lFH5rIAqhq2kS79U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1764.97\">29:24<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, a lot of design ideation work; a lot of looking at particular problems associated with real estate development, whether it be affordable housing or transportation issues or whatever, and do work presently that might shape the future of those. So, when people participate with us on Day of Giving, they\u2019re helping to fund all of that work. And it\u2019s really the aggregated dollars, to be honest. We\u2019re a lean and mean fighting machine. We operate on a pretty small budget, but I think that our impact is very outsized for what our budget is. So, that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to use Day of Giving for, is to provide access to folks who might believe in what we\u2019re doing, want to help us shape the future of growth and development in North Carolina, and they can make a contribution on Day of Giving.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/cZ1IeQkKK-JIssgKTcv49yLsKho3lLL7AUEqgaXD50rbe47kZdsJORHnPE_SwYCg5HHPKDPdS7clhYqHRj_wuBa4-6o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1806.97\">30:06<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Sounds great. Yeah, this is one of those programs that I just love to highlight because we always pride ourself on being not just a thinking school, but a Think and Do school.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_je5w6ugAbmIM0KkbZR-zBswhKcRnqs9x6xJxqAaFKkNShZ07tIUMctv4VacanYLA7j1m7cCdq2cAENOroGxzJL28wU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1815.61\">30:15<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Right.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/sds7i9_G9I8WC40QWvfCJbuga3tzgfzbfFITSfUk7mTZ-x8Nqd6OPwloIlVUVr5ebgTOR8z0Y5UfXqcUth1PuxDSB6w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1815.61\">30:15<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And I feel like your program \u2014<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/CfswiXNHIaOIZ3hKZBtUoZbBOmcri1iTuBnH48T07y02YM909VkrwvJCNpWIl688h_atqce8Vdm6o30ioMNOzMleOS4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1818.17\">30:18<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Very much.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/NmTSjcOUukMhyMMIsjRGexpaUroy0WOvV-s1V25adrd7fRaX6KPyvY19ynRy4DZwetuyU07hq1CnvmyzPkoff76Ym4c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1819.33\">30:19<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And not just for the future, too. Not just for 2050, but like you said, boots on the ground right now, really impacting how North Carolina and beyond shape these green spaces, how humans interact with our environment. Just a wonderful outreach program through academics, but, it\u2019s like you said, through research and through Extension as well.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Niq0hNxxqFP_QP3rhftQbs8ubK0svjK7Ae6zBwcmQXmMCa-MUBEfI-QDMWZOS40lmouvZBiOXbwZgkesu5zJi_8Tf4E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1837.27\">30:37<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Yeah. And I think the Think and Do mantra is very much on display here. I believe that, in a rather short order, the Pappas program has become recognized as a bit of a thought leader. And I mean that programmatically, because there\u2019s a lot of people involved. We have guest lecturers, we have adjunct faculty, we have myself and my associate director, and so on and so forth. And we have a lot of bright students, a lot of bright students. The students are really the stars. They\u2019re amazing.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/nH7oCMhc8aL-3FXdNJd6Hs0oRehrKlkJxsBCnU3TV2ok_fOQwnWVo4d_2ObCvmP_cOXUjny5ICbgqDwgXuK-_1Y0stk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1860.65\">31:00<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>So, we\u2019re creating the Think, and then the Do part of it is, we have a student-centric applied- or practicum-based education program. So, the students get an opportunity to see real estate development in its present-day form. We just finished our first land-use law class last semester. So, we were able to take current land-use law situations that are occurring in the Triangle and discuss them with our students. With the people, in some cases, that are involved in those decisions \u2014 lawyers, developers, landowners, whatever. That is really fantastic.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/_5ijIHfsl6pLEXCFhDMKNabZA-mGcND2G31HCHDmzW3dNUnT56wEKwFM-4THAVTLFP2NZJOvHqvekDTt4AGHr4vAceM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1896.2\">31:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>It is.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/vdqdOh7X2sIGVjbXJ5hDu2UEtSGvigsVmsCWim3OnluTGZZK5nJKhaA5ymgOINka0-Bp7Gbn-5thN7KLTVOLh2ngeyU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1896.86\">31:36<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Our students are amazed; they\u2019re responding really well. We get really high evaluations on our classes because they are so student-centric and they are so applied. And students are telling us, \u201cLook, this is probably the best class I\u2019ve taken in NC State because it pulls it all together for me. It takes my core academic education, whether that\u2019s engineering, architecture, natural sciences, whatever, landscape architecture, and then it combines it with other elements that I know I have to have in order to do problem-solving.\u201d And I do that in the classroom setting. So, it\u2019s very exciting for our students, and I think it\u2019s exciting for those who come in and participate with us as guest lecturers or industry representatives. So, you\u2019re right. I think it\u2019s just a perfect example of Think and Do.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/vJFz9ysONQz-qAoT3qJEcHttjuY05XIAdztcnNB_D22Mb-ttVGgXl7t3mLZYZSGSm2W63K1aD9wKzM4G9ywkvn-A_0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1937.6\">32:17<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Yeah. It sounds like it benefits everyone. And that\u2019s just a wonderful representation of NC State and what we hope to accomplish in the world. So, thank you so much for all that you do through this.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/UDt1pVxdcbIXG31Dg3TQmP9ILKovntnGl8Afk71Er5-si8BERxul9aITGRS-K6xIUqpsG3zPY0x79Xt6HzkxYDWiNuc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1946.3\">32:26<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Well, thank you.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/ltkKfVRljfHhiBjHpkr7rq0uMVgOews2EiAvCGp9AqxlN6IfIWMDiuf8n7rsiO-hEetpk9cct9HxOzwyyLa19AIj8cs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1947.08\">32:27<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And thank you as well for coming out today. This has been very informative and just, really, it\u2019s been a pleasure.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/RhMezOUQ03l7pRLeKS1uRn680N-ez-v6Hw1cTV28ciHs_GKjW_iHffgSkbzMLLADEaSiSLWhk3F_QDmK63WTREw9BjE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1953.2\">32:33<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Same here, Taylor. I\u2019m always happy to do this kind of work with the university, a podcast like this, and share information about the program. And, of course, go Pack. Love Wolfpack Nation, and I appreciate the opportunity to be involved with the Pappas program. So, thank you.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/hFpn6Ef0i_tk6Wx9fZ1T0OVgd7LQ4zT9vd-qi2tN2XaZrTuXsngElZTjqOpmkCh7_D9-AccinWbgHOW91l9s7ahfUJw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1966.88\">32:46<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>We appreciate it as well. 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We have several.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/10btlZAsxnoPSNTDML5CqpVNZJ5s7kV8sVVNDZWf1A8rrc9MbLb89PcLUAhPnGarg2zy4WtDumROjFgsWwKA2lT9Xw8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1979.18\">32:59<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I know. So, I have been asked this question a lot. So, it\u2019s the Yarborough landscape that\u2019s between the College of Design campus and it\u2019s [an] old part of campus. And it\u2019s always meant a lot to me, probably because it was the first campus landscape I visited when I came to interview. I like the design of it. It\u2019s a classic university campus design with some of the best architecture on, old architecture on the campus that\u2019s still remaining as a part of the original campus that dates all the way back to the 1800s when the university was set up. And I think it\u2019s Mary Yarborough Court. It\u2019s my favorite. I mean, only because I think just, for me, it just symbolizes so much about the university, and it\u2019s been there for a long, long time. It\u2019s timeless in that regard. But, listen, there are a lot of great landscapes across the campus, and I\u2019m sure everybody has their favorite, but for me, that one is the most meaningful.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/tomrxkJyo8sIY08UmzLUiTEfarImdZoMSmSQ5e81M844eq-t4om35OkORp0nolOvPqpzJijgQQ6M6hciuKE1TH5XIoE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2032.64\">33:52<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>It is a great spot. It\u2019s got the history to it. It\u2019s got the shade trees for the summer. I was thinking when you said that about coming in March and coming for spring break and thinking that you had found heaven.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/sSBJckbLjQnnqXN_T1Q3YrSjZaf10Z5cIy6wG7-jjjpgQLM-g-5x-Gry8kcmIr3nHh-VS7PztkQHxIIZO_U-Eq-6URc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2043.03\">34:03<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>And the camellias in bloom in February and March.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/uUsVxl3fsKabR07kmcSiyxQTmBwmsv911pAjs6325RRw2Hor8lnjPD9GHjO20sMygqYPrjdRIaQLkn_qMcblbiPhQSo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2045.53\">34:05<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I thought, \u201cI\u2019m so glad he did not come in the middle of July, part of summer break. He might not have thought that about North Carolina in the summer.\u201d<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/xxS_vTy3Ea4XLLCQtV6gq7La_yOqus0GB92M9TialoH-ahsgzx8NYZBbC9YslLnAZg1dQIHzUmAFyHH7brYaqPwsm_Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2052.89\">34:12<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I think I probably walked through, I\u2019m pretty sure I probably walked through Yarborough on my way to the college for my interview, and it probably just hit me then. NC State does not get a lot of credit for being a really beautiful campus. That\u2019s reserved for other people, other campuses, but I think that that part of NC State\u2019s campus is quite beautiful.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/Rep94m-HvJ_CIXieHRK8OpuDzzMln3q4MYyC1Di_QVZQlrhFC2st_8cXo3CB_9hyIOJCs2yxuVn3xSiHWyzhAv7WK1I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2070.49\">34:30<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>I think so, too. Thank you again for joining us, and have a great rest of the day.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Chuck Flink (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/yA5vrNal18RzusWO_RygEA6CWLoc8HzR-1UgWxVsvjisytakN9RypE1qSlH7G1l7Q5uGtm-2d08Q5DfZO8M5cH4FuDY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2073.87\">34:33<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Absolutely. You, too. Thank you.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>Taylor Pardue (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.rev.com\/transcript-editor\/shared\/hYajLh3JwuEQUpT-P5xFePctyj8lEhDZxUHjKwvLzl2oP6NtzRSbWAjbbcXl1hXb_pxefh0bJC7TrnjbLNqIvWBXH6g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2079.33\">34:39<\/a>):<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\n\n<!-- wp:paragraph -->\n<p>To learn more about the Pappas Real Estate Development Program and how you can support it, please visit <a href=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/go.ncsu.edu\/designpod\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">go.ncsu.edu\/designpod<\/a>. If you\u2019d like to hear even more stories of Wolfpack success, please subscribe to the NC State Philanthropy Podcast today via Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher or Podbean. 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